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Title: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 19, 2013, 01:20:27 PM
This is the thread where you can share your opinions that nobody shares. Free of judgment... well, not really, feel free to trash talk other peoples opinions cause this is the internet and that's what it's for. But yeah I just thought it would be cool to have a thread where people could post their desert island opinions  :tumbleweed:

I'll go first: I think Push the Pig produces better improv than Triple Wide, at least in this current era of UM. I just think 3x is really overrated; I understand its appeal, but I prefer so many other dance songs over it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: WOLFpacker16 on November 19, 2013, 01:31:36 PM
Push the Pig is one of my favorite umph songs.  Heavy intro/verses, love the lyrical delivery in the chorus, like the lyrics, love that they jam it. 

Ocean Billy is one of my least favorite umph songs.  The intro kind of drags along and the build up doesn't really do a whole lot for me.  Usually my opinion on songs will change once I see it live but I have yet to witness a huge OB unfortunately.  Got standard town'd at Myrtle Beach earlier this year.

I also like Walletsworth a lot too if only for the breakdown and Joel solo.  I don't hate hourglass nearly as much as most of you.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 19, 2013, 01:40:37 PM
Ooh speaking of Walletsworth, I was listening to a standard version yesterday and I realized I actually really love that song. Sometimes I feel they drop it at the wrong time at shows, but as a composition I can't get enough of it. I'd lump it into songs that I love but only have the patience to see at shows once every few weeks or so.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: WOLFpacker16 on November 19, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Ooh speaking of Walletsworth, I was listening to a standard version yesterday and I realized I actually really love that song. Sometimes I feel they drop it at the wrong time at shows, but as a composition I can't get enough of it. I'd lump it into songs that I love but only have the patience to see at shows once every few weeks or so.

I think I like so much because they played it at my first show.  And I still love every song I heard at my first show haha.  I feel like those songs have been ingrained in my mind forever
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 19, 2013, 01:45:45 PM
Ooh speaking of Walletsworth, I was listening to a standard version yesterday and I realized I actually really love that song. Sometimes I feel they drop it at the wrong time at shows, but as a composition I can't get enough of it. I'd lump it into songs that I love but only have the patience to see at shows once every few weeks or so.

I think I like so much because they played it at my first show.  And I still love every song I heard at my first show haha.  I feel like those songs have been ingrained in my mind forever

For sure that makes a lot of sense. My first show opened with Push The Pig > Tinkles, I think that might be why I love Tinkles so much, plus any time they drop unexpectedly into Tinkles out of the end of the previous song. You know what would be awesome? Sociable Jimmy > Tinkles drop.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on November 19, 2013, 02:06:26 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UmphreakinPoopinAtItAgain on November 19, 2013, 02:08:08 PM
There are some unpopular opinions in this thread:

http://www.thebort.com/index.php/topic,9239.0.html

 ::)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 19, 2013, 02:08:08 PM
Bad Poker is the worst fucking song this band has ever played.  All of you fanboys only chase it because you want your stats, bros.

Two Dips is the best song to have been at least partially written by UM members in the last 2 years.

Mixed Bizness was the best countdown song in history.

This band should NEVER play a Beatles song again.

CYHMK is fucking atrocious.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 19, 2013, 02:09:26 PM
Bad Poker is the worst fucking song this band has ever played.  All of you fanboys only chase it because you want your stats, bros.

Two Dips is the best song to have been at least partially written by UM members in the last 2 years.

Mixed Bizness was the best countdown song in history.

This band should NEVER play a Beatles song again.

CYHMK is fucking atrocious.

I agree with all of this!!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 19, 2013, 02:09:41 PM
fuck.  wrong thread'd
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: barkingpenguin on November 19, 2013, 02:09:45 PM
Tinkles is way over-rated. I've heard it at almost every show I've seen and I'm tired of it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 19, 2013, 02:10:57 PM
Tinkles is way over-rated. I've heard it at almost every show I've seen and I'm tired of it.

Let's trade. I always miss it by one show.


Quote
Mixed Bizness was the best countdown song in history.

This band should NEVER play a Beatles song again.

One of these I 100% agree with, the other I could not disagree with more.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Sociable Hodor on November 19, 2013, 02:12:17 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 19, 2013, 02:14:01 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.

I don't think we can be friends anymore. That song is the worst. Complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: There are sets that get Shine On'd and then IMO, there are sets that get Morning Song'd.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 19, 2013, 02:14:45 PM
CYHMK is The Rolling Stones are fucking atrocious.
This band should NEVER play a Beatles Rolling Stones song again.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 19, 2013, 02:17:38 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.

I don't think we can be friends anymore. That song is the worst. Complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: There are sets that get Shine On'd and then IMO, there are sets that get Morning Song'd.

Spring 2006... /shudders
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on November 19, 2013, 02:18:39 PM
Anchor Drops is their worst song.

I go to bed at night thanking sweet baby Jesus that I have had the great fortune of NOT seeing one Anchor Drops in 2013.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on November 19, 2013, 02:18:47 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.

I don't think we can be friends anymore. That song is the worst. Complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: There are sets that get Shine On'd and then IMO, there are sets that get Morning Song'd.

At least Morning Song is only 7 minutes...SOYCD is more than double that.  Fuck I hate hearing that song at UM shows...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on November 19, 2013, 02:21:41 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.

I don't think we can be friends anymore. That song is the worst. Complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: There are sets that get Shine On'd and then IMO, there are sets that get Morning Song'd.

I totally get that logic, but it doesn't take away the fact that its a very well done song both compositionally and lyrically. Unpopular Opinion'd

BAYYYYYYYY :'( :'( :'( :'( LORRRRRRRRR
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 19, 2013, 02:24:43 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.

I don't think we can be friends anymore. That song is the worst. Complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: There are sets that get Shine On'd and then IMO, there are sets that get Morning Song'd.

At least Morning Song is only 7 minutes...SOYCD is more than double that.  Fuck I hate hearing that song at UM shows...

Touche.

I totally get that logic, but it doesn't take away the fact that its a very well done song both compositionally and lyrically. Unpopular Opinion'd

BAYYYYYYYY :'( :'( :'( :'( LORRRRRRRRR

Compositionally, hard to argue with you there. But that song makes me want to cry and not because I'm so caught up in emotional Baylor moment.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 19, 2013, 02:25:29 PM
mantis is my #1 pissbreak song.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Sociable Hodor on November 19, 2013, 02:28:13 PM
mantis is my #1 pissbreak song.

Ive managed to avoid Mantis through 22 shows. Looking forward to hearing my first one but then probably never again.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 19, 2013, 02:28:44 PM
mantis is my #1 pissbreak song.
Wellwishers is the perfect length for a mid-set trip to the bathroom and a quick beer.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AvocadoRivalry on November 19, 2013, 02:31:58 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.

I don't think we can be friends anymore. That song is the worst. Complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: There are sets that get Shine On'd and then IMO, there are sets that get Morning Song'd.

I'm having a hard time thinking of two songs I'd rather see less at a show.  I will never understand all the love for Morning Song. 

Words and BtL on the other hand...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cjbrambo on November 19, 2013, 02:33:46 PM
I am always skeptical of a guest sit in. That can screw shit up real quick and I'd just rather not..

ITK, sometimes I just want to skip right past it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 19, 2013, 02:39:04 PM
mantis is my #1 pissbreak song.

yes. also, i fucking hate partyin peeps, booth love, and deeper. and that push the love deeper mashup sucked dick.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 19, 2013, 02:40:30 PM
Jake is too Jakey sometimes and it really pisses me off

Booth Love and Deeper should never be played at the same show together. The audience doesn't deserve that

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Zink on November 19, 2013, 02:52:57 PM
I love Baylor's voice even though it is a little nasal and can be "pitchy" (i nthe parlance of our american idol times) now and then....



I love Morning Song....love it!  Love the song, the jam, the vocals, the builds....
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on November 19, 2013, 02:58:02 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.

I don't think we can be friends anymore. That song is the worst. Complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: There are sets that get Shine On'd and then IMO, there are sets that get Morning Song'd.

I'm having a hard time thinking of two songs I'd rather see less at a show.  I will never understand all the love for Morning Song. 

Words and BtL on the other hand...

So do you bros not like Final Word? That is pretty much the same style of baylor ter as far as i'm concerned..
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 19, 2013, 03:05:02 PM
I cringe at August until the yamz
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 19, 2013, 03:13:09 PM
I cringe at August until the yamz

Yikes!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 19, 2013, 03:14:12 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.

I don't think we can be friends anymore. That song is the worst. Complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: There are sets that get Shine On'd and then IMO, there are sets that get Morning Song'd.

I'm having a hard time thinking of two songs I'd rather see less at a show.  I will never understand all the love for Morning Song. 

Words and BtL on the other hand...

So do you bros not like Final Word? That is pretty much the same style of baylor ter as far as i'm concerned..

Don't really consider it the same. I do like it. Maybe in 5 years when I've seen it too many times to count, I will be singing a different tune but then again, I was never really a fan of Morning Song. I mean, Morning Song has been around since 2006 and that's 7 years worth of me seeing UM shows and having a set ruined by that whinefest and my distaste for that song being reinforced.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cryan024 on November 19, 2013, 03:21:07 PM
Morning Song, Words, and Believe the Lie are three songs I could welcome at any show I ever go to.  They are also the reason why I love this band so much. Excellent songs whether you're into Baylor tears or not.

I don't think we can be friends anymore. That song is the worst. Complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: There are sets that get Shine On'd and then IMO, there are sets that get Morning Song'd.

I'm having a hard time thinking of two songs I'd rather see less at a show.  I will never understand all the love for Morning Song. 

Words and BtL on the other hand...

So do you bros not like Final Word? That is pretty much the same style of baylor ter as far as i'm concerned..

I love Final Word, but can't stand BTL.  Morning Song and Words certainly aren't songs I ever go into a show hoping to see, but I don't necessarily dislike them.


I cringe at August until the yamz

This is blasphemy.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 19, 2013, 03:23:46 PM
Jojo isn't all that fun to hang out with.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on November 19, 2013, 03:41:10 PM
Jojo isn't all that fun to hang out with.

QFT.

He's a real drag and is never down to party.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 19, 2013, 03:41:37 PM
Jojo isn't all that fun to hang out with.

True but I don't think this is the right thread for that opinionfact.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: womenwineandpoly on November 19, 2013, 03:43:34 PM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,
http://www.thebort.com/index.php/topic,5975.0.html

I think all these opinions could be put in the thread mentioned.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 19, 2013, 04:04:02 PM

mantis is my #1 pissbreak song.


This is a UO? At BG this year there were more people in the bathroom than on the floor during the first few minutes of Mantis, and every one of us in there was laughing at the fact that this only happens during Mantis.

Phish is a tighter band.  Also,
http://www.thebort.com/index.php/topic,5975.0.html

I think all these opinions could be put in the thread mentioned.

That thread is so general that literally any other thread on this board could be moved there. I still think this is a unique thread, but I love how anal us phreaks are about categorizing things. Makes me feel like I never left my math classes.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: psogator43 on November 19, 2013, 04:06:59 PM
I don't want UM to become an Arena band - I like them in smaller venues
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 19, 2013, 04:16:54 PM
11/04/2011 Resolution (lyrical stew) was pretty awesome, and still is when I relisten to it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: JWelsh on November 19, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,

Uh, no. Not any more.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UmphreakinPoopinAtItAgain on November 19, 2013, 04:37:44 PM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,

Uh, no. Not any more.

 :crazy:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on November 19, 2013, 04:41:45 PM
Bad Poker is the worst fucking song this band has ever played.

THIS

Here are some unpopular ones of my own:

- Love, love, love IC > Synco, but as a show, 6/5/08 is overhyped.  Set 1's awesome, but Set 2, except Robot World, is so-so.

- Like WOLFpacker16, I also really dig Push The Pig.

- I actually don't mind Hourglass.

- I don't mind when Wappy or Snucka get Crazy Train'd.

- Next to Bad Poker, I don't care for Haji.

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Dr. Keefsmoke on November 19, 2013, 04:58:06 PM
Spires is the best song written in the last 4 years
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Random Ass on November 19, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
I don't mind the occasional appearance of SOYCD or CYHMK at all.  People always act like they are overplayed, and maybe that's true and it's just luck of the draw, but I've only seen two SOYCDs and no CYHMKs in almost 60 shows.  The performance gap between the two SOYCDs was almost 40 shows.  I also think the ending jam to CYHMK actually makes it one of their more enjoyable covers.

I think the two Bill Graham events were incredibly overrated by attendees.

Although not necessarily songs I want to see, I don't despise Loose Ends, Hourglass, Room to Breathe, or Comma Later.

This probably wouldn't be an unpopular opinion around here, but I hate when UM covers grunge bands like Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins.  Those songs just never flow well with their original material.

I've never understood the love for Syncopated Strangers.

There was a time where I liked Morning Song, but I could probably go the rest of my life without hearing it again.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: DiabetesCOLE on November 19, 2013, 05:50:55 PM
55 shows and never seen a soycd, I fucking love pink Floyd and would kill to see this cover.  It's a really well done cover and you can all go fuck yourselves.


Another brick in the wall on the other hand.....
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AvocadoRivalry on November 19, 2013, 06:28:30 PM

mantis is my #1 pissbreak song.


This is a UO? At BG this year there were more people in the bathroom than on the floor during the first few minutes of Mantis, and every one of us in there was laughing at the fact that this only happens during Mantis.

Phish is a tighter band.  Also,
http://www.thebort.com/index.php/topic,5975.0.html

I think all these opinions could be put in the thread mentioned.

That thread is so general that literally any other thread on this board could be moved there. I still think this is a unique thread, but I love how anal us phreaks are about categorizing things. Makes me feel like I never left my math classes.

So if I really like Mantis and would never take a piss during it does that make it an unpopular opinion via double negative?  But seriously, Mantis is arguably my favorite composition by the band. Even though I know there's no improv coming, I'm not skipping it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Fuegoman on November 19, 2013, 06:29:17 PM
Might not be an unpopular opinion per se... But I secretly wish Robot World gets played at every show I go to, killer jams the past few times I have caught a RW

6/8/2013
11/2/2012
9/4/2011
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Higgins Brother on November 19, 2013, 06:54:12 PM
Phish is a tighter band. 
There are many words I would use to describe Phish.  "Tight" is not one of them.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on November 19, 2013, 06:59:02 PM
Phish is a tighter band. 
There are many words I would use to describe Phish.  "Tight" is not one of them.

You tell 'em HinkHall!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Stringz on November 19, 2013, 07:11:15 PM
I think Deeper, Booth love, and Push the Pig are all EXPONENTIALLY better than Morning Song, Loose Ends, and Forks.  I love Beatles songs and don't mind a SOYCD.  I would rather hear any song listed in this thread over Loose Ends.  I like cheesy cock rock covers a lot.  Women, Wine, and Song is chill.  Nemo rules too.  Sorry I like party music and not Bayliss cryfests.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Carbohydrates on November 19, 2013, 07:23:13 PM
(1) I really dont like the Hangover ... feels good to get that one off my chest....
(2) despite a great experience at BGII (very lucky/happy to have had the chance to go) 04/27/13 isnt that great to me on tape
(3) I dont understand the hate for Walletsworth
(4) I love Words
(5) I love Mantis

 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AvocadoRivalry on November 19, 2013, 07:32:42 PM
(1) I really dont like the Hangover ... feels good to get that one off my chest....
(2) despite a great experience at BGII (very lucky/happy to have had the chance to go) 04/27/13 isnt that great to me on tape
(3) I dont understand the hate for Walletsworth
(4) I love Words
(5) I love Mantis

 

+1 to all.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on November 19, 2013, 07:33:42 PM
I think Deeper, Booth love, and Push the Pig are all EXPONENTIALLY better than Morning Song, Loose Ends, and Forks.  I love Beatles songs and don't mind a SOYCD.  I would rather hear any song listed in this thread over Loose Ends.  Sorry I like party music and not Bayliss cryfests.

That's why this band is so great because I feel the exact opposite.  I like UM for the heavy rock, great cover selection, melodic pretty shit/emo Bayliss and the extremely broad variation in the way they improvise.  I don't like groove-based shit, as I think it's simplistic and boring.  That's why I could never get into moe. and don't like Phish anymore because UM (and tDB as well) have so many themes when it comes to their improv.  Perhaps that's why I don't care for Deeper, Booth Love and PTP.  It's not that I hate those songs because I'd rather hear those than a Gulf Stream, Partyin Peeps or Hangover any day of the week.

I do like WW&S and Nemo though...as long as they don't play Cheap Sunglasses inside or out of them.   :)

I do like Walletsworth nowadays.  I was bored with it for awhile after I saw entirely too many shows but it is a good song.  I like Words too, it's a great song (sorry grover) and I like Mantis a lot as well.  I like Alex's House, Made to Measure and Liquid a bunch too.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Stringz on November 19, 2013, 07:35:57 PM
Yea dude for sure!  I like peeps (unpopularAF)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on November 19, 2013, 07:40:03 PM
Not sure if it's an unpopular opinion, but I prefer Bayliss solos over Jake solos by far. Baylor is a more fluid player. Their contrasting styles is perfect for dual lead guitars in a band, though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on November 19, 2013, 07:59:30 PM
I cringe at August until the yamz

WOW

I didn't know people like this existed.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: bobbyluv on November 19, 2013, 08:58:50 PM
I think Atmosfarag is the worst song the band could possibly play, simplistic and boring
I'd rather hear Puppet String, 1348, and Spires these days than 3x, N2F or 40's Theme
I hate it when they play original>cover>original  in place of improv, especially in DBK (arrrgh)
I've never seen a Bob, Red Baron, G Song, or Raymond and could care less if I ever did
I am not a fan of UM playing a cover (in general) to finish a killer show (unless it's ...And Justice for All)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: chadk on November 19, 2013, 09:07:15 PM
I would go to more UM shows if they stopped playing 3x, N2F, AIT, 1348 & 3 fucking covers every night.

I've only been to a couple of shows where fans actually made some noise/showed some love love between either set or after the encore. Makes me ashamed of our fanbase.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 19, 2013, 09:26:49 PM
Not sure if it's an unpopular opinion, but I prefer Bayliss solos over Jake solos by far. Baylor is a more fluid player. Their contrasting styles is perfect for dual lead guitars in a band, though.

Don't think this qualifies as an unpopular opinion. I think if you polled the bort (and yes, I understand we comprise but a sliver of the fanbase), I have a feeling you'd get pretty close to 50-50. Baylor's solos are more fluid than Jake's but he uses a lot of similar themes and hooks in his solos (for example, listen to 5 different Fancy solos, 5 different Slacker solos, 5 different August solos, etc., and you will find that in all 5 versions of all of his solos in said song, there are similar themes and hooks in at least 4 of the 5). Baylor's most dynamic solo is 40's Theme, by far, and features some very interesting work from him.

Jake's soloing, in its current state, is simply not what it used to be. Listen to basically any Fancy solo prior to 2009 or so and you'll hear some really amazing, dynamic soloing that Baylor could only dream of playing. Is he fluid? No. But a big part of that is due to the fact that he approaches guitar like a percussionist since he is an ex-drummer, and as such, he brings a much more technical style, with many more abrupt runs and fills, hooking them together with different riffs and such.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Der Brazilian Kat on November 19, 2013, 09:33:17 PM
1 - I fucking love Mantis, it may be my favorite Umph composition
2 - I kinda like PtP, Booth Love, and lately Deeper has been growing on me
3 - I really like Hourglass, RtB and Loose Ends
4 - I'm not a big fan of Mulche's, Go to Hell and Robot World (not considering the jams it spawns)
5 - Pony is my MVP of the year
6 - I love SOYCD, kinda like some of the mashups, hate when they cover any Van Halen song.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: bobbyluv on November 19, 2013, 09:51:54 PM
I could never hear another rap themed song or tease and be very happy
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: The_k13 on November 19, 2013, 10:06:20 PM
I could never hear another rap themed song or tease and be very happy

+1

and I'll hop on the morning song hatred.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on November 19, 2013, 10:11:22 PM
Not sure if it's an unpopular opinion, but I prefer Bayliss solos over Jake solos by far. Baylor is a more fluid player. Their contrasting styles is perfect for dual lead guitars in a band, though.

Don't think this qualifies as an unpopular opinion. I think if you polled the bort (and yes, I understand we comprise but a sliver of the fanbase), I have a feeling you'd get pretty close to 50-50. Baylor's solos are more fluid than Jake's but he uses a lot of similar themes and hooks in his solos (for example, listen to 5 different Fancy solos, 5 different Slacker solos, 5 different August solos, etc., and you will find that in all 5 versions of all of his solos in said song, there are similar themes and hooks in at least 4 of the 5). Baylor's most dynamic solo is 40's Theme, by far, and features some very interesting work from him.

Jake's soloing, in its current state, is simply not what it used to be. Listen to basically any Fancy solo prior to 2009 or so and you'll hear some really amazing, dynamic soloing that Baylor could only dream of playing. Is he fluid? No. But a big part of that is due to the fact that he approaches guitar like a percussionist since he is an ex-drummer, and as such, he brings a much more technical style, with many more abrupt runs and fills, hooking them together with different riffs and such.

Jake is definitely a technically better player. Just personal preference and I've been a bit burnt out on those type of shredders for a bit now, which is why my favorite UM jams are ones with grooving Baylor riffs and chill/jazzy Rhodes work from Joel.

I've also heard Jake approaches soloing with a horn player's mindset, which made more sense to me once I saw him play full shows with Bill Evans. He was busting out some crazy sweep picking (something I hardly ever see him do with UM) and trading great lines with Bill Evans at the Soulgrass shows.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 19, 2013, 10:17:02 PM
Not sure if it's an unpopular opinion, but I prefer Bayliss solos over Jake solos by far. Baylor is a more fluid player. Their contrasting styles is perfect for dual lead guitars in a band, though.

Don't think this qualifies as an unpopular opinion. I think if you polled the bort (and yes, I understand we comprise but a sliver of the fanbase), I have a feeling you'd get pretty close to 50-50. Baylor's solos are more fluid than Jake's but he uses a lot of similar themes and hooks in his solos (for example, listen to 5 different Fancy solos, 5 different Slacker solos, 5 different August solos, etc., and you will find that in all 5 versions of all of his solos in said song, there are similar themes and hooks in at least 4 of the 5). Baylor's most dynamic solo is 40's Theme, by far, and features some very interesting work from him.

Jake's soloing, in its current state, is simply not what it used to be. Listen to basically any Fancy solo prior to 2009 or so and you'll hear some really amazing, dynamic soloing that Baylor could only dream of playing. Is he fluid? No. But a big part of that is due to the fact that he approaches guitar like a percussionist since he is an ex-drummer, and as such, he brings a much more technical style, with many more abrupt runs and fills, hooking them together with different riffs and such.

Jake is definitely a technically better player. Just personal preference and I've been a bit burnt out on those type of shredders for a bit now, which is why my favorite UM jams are ones with grooving Baylor riffs and chill/jazzy Rhodes work from Joel.

I've also heard Jake approaches soloing with a horn player's mindset, which made more sense to me once I saw him play full shows with Bill Evans. He was busting out some crazy sweep picking (something I hardly ever see him do with UM) and trading great lines with Bill Evans at the Soulgrass shows.

I'll have to find the video but he talks about his percussion background and how he utilizes it to approach his guitar work.

And I completely agree that I'm a bit burnt out on Jake's shred-antics but my point about Jake's older solos was not so much that he's a more dynamic player; my salient point was that he was not always so shred happy and was much more dynamic in his approach to his soloing. His solos were true musical odysseys, taking the listener on a rollercoaster ride, taking the listener through a full spectrum of G-forces. Now, it seems his main focus is going 0-60 as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: carfunzo on November 19, 2013, 10:23:05 PM
I love Loose Ends and I'm still not sure if people really like Cut the Cables(any version) or if it's just a Bort inside joke.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on November 19, 2013, 10:34:12 PM
Not sure if it's an unpopular opinion, but I prefer Bayliss solos over Jake solos by far. Baylor is a more fluid player. Their contrasting styles is perfect for dual lead guitars in a band, though.

Don't think this qualifies as an unpopular opinion. I think if you polled the bort (and yes, I understand we comprise but a sliver of the fanbase), I have a feeling you'd get pretty close to 50-50. Baylor's solos are more fluid than Jake's but he uses a lot of similar themes and hooks in his solos (for example, listen to 5 different Fancy solos, 5 different Slacker solos, 5 different August solos, etc., and you will find that in all 5 versions of all of his solos in said song, there are similar themes and hooks in at least 4 of the 5). Baylor's most dynamic solo is 40's Theme, by far, and features some very interesting work from him.

Jake's soloing, in its current state, is simply not what it used to be. Listen to basically any Fancy solo prior to 2009 or so and you'll hear some really amazing, dynamic soloing that Baylor could only dream of playing. Is he fluid? No. But a big part of that is due to the fact that he approaches guitar like a percussionist since he is an ex-drummer, and as such, he brings a much more technical style, with many more abrupt runs and fills, hooking them together with different riffs and such.

Jake is definitely a technically better player. Just personal preference and I've been a bit burnt out on those type of shredders for a bit now, which is why my favorite UM jams are ones with grooving Baylor riffs and chill/jazzy Rhodes work from Joel.

I've also heard Jake approaches soloing with a horn player's mindset, which made more sense to me once I saw him play full shows with Bill Evans. He was busting out some crazy sweep picking (something I hardly ever see him do with UM) and trading great lines with Bill Evans at the Soulgrass shows.

I'll have to find the video but he talks about his percussion background and how he utilizes it to approach his guitar work.

And I completely agree that I'm a bit burnt out on Jake's shred-antics but my point about Jake's older solos was not so much that he's a more dynamic player; my salient point was that he was not always so shred happy and was much more dynamic in his approach to his soloing. His solos were true musical odysseys, taking the listener on a rollercoaster ride, taking the listener through a full spectrum of G-forces. Now, it seems his main focus is going 0-60 as quickly as possible.

Would be interested in checking out the video, if you can find it. I'm more familiar with drummers who approach the drums like a guitarist (Chris Adler comes to mind) than vice versa.

And I should clarify, I'm more just burnt out on shredding in general, as opposed to being burnt out with Jake's shredding. It's just too bad my shredding phase and Jake's didn't match up lol. Serious first world problems.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 19, 2013, 10:35:04 PM
Stringz and I were just discussing this, and ended up grunting and jerking off to Baylor stew textures.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cjbrambo on November 19, 2013, 10:38:27 PM
My favorite 2x2 is 12/30/2002. It's pretty straight forward and not all yammy, but perfectly executed. I think it's the best. Doubt anybody agrees.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: frgnugs on November 19, 2013, 10:39:48 PM
Best band in the world! evar!

Blast away haters  :wook:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 19, 2013, 11:06:32 PM
Stringz and I were just discussing this, and ended up grunting and jerking off to Baylor stew textures.

Haha! I was actually going to post something in the Random, Spontaneous, etc. thread about Baylor's rhythmic playing. It really is something else. I kept listening back to the 9/27/06 Fancy reprise, and Jake demolishes it, but Baylor's rhythmic backing parts are so integral in allowing Jake the space and freedom to play around on the melody (not sure if I used that correctly) and really crush that.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on November 19, 2013, 11:48:37 PM

The band peaked in 2007.


Do other people really agree with this? 

I would go to more UM shows if they stopped playing 3x, N2F, AIT, 1348 & 3 fucking covers every night.

I've only been to a couple of shows where fans actually made some noise/showed some love love between either set or after the encore. Makes me ashamed of our fanbase.

......??
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on November 19, 2013, 11:54:41 PM
I don't know about peaking in 2007 but it was my favorite year of UM.  Might have something to do with the stupid amount of shows I saw that year though...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: peyotecoyote on November 20, 2013, 12:02:03 AM
I don't know about peaking in 2007 but it was my favorite year of UM.  Might have something to do with the stupid amount of shows I saw that year though...

I wouldn't say they peaked either, but dear lord that year was fucking amazeballs.

Nothing will ever top that 7 night WC run. Not every show was stellar, but you couldn't ask for a better group of people/better setting to see them in. Crystal Ballroom and Truckee were stellar though, and the John Anson Ford Theatre was one of the coolest fucking places to see a show ever. Didn't hurt that you could bring your own cooler of beer in. Til the next morning anyway.

How many red light tickets did you get Dan??    ;)       
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: HelenKellerwilliams on November 20, 2013, 12:03:25 AM
It upsets me how the Hall of Fame albums are "stitched together" with added audience cheering to make it seem like it was actually one single show

I think they need to play more songs that originated from stews (which they debut at UM Bowl) on a regular basis. Example: Only one I can think of is Yoga Pants (previously White Pickle) and a few others that have made the cut being played as their own tune, and while I think it needs to be exclusive, they need to be more experimental if they're going to turn jams into songs at UM Bowl.

You couldn't play a song off of LBDOK or Anchor Drops that would make me unhappy

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Stringz on November 20, 2013, 01:30:20 AM
The best Umphrey's fan base is not in Denver.
And it's not in Chicago either.  I vote ATL (excluding peyote5ub) and then Grand Rapids.  Mississippi is mostly me and chapman so we can take 3rd.


All kidding aside, someone just brought up Room to Breathe.  I had forgotten about that song.  That song blows. I love crucial taunt though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Mittens on November 20, 2013, 01:50:02 AM
The best Umphrey's fan base is not in Denver.
And it's not in Chicago either.  I vote ATL (excluding peyote5ub) and then Grand Rapids.  Mississippi is mostly me and chapman so we can take 3rd.


All kidding aside, someone just brought up Room to Breathe.  I had forgotten about that song.  That song blows. I love crucial taunt though.

he said best, not favorite!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: timewilltell on November 20, 2013, 04:05:36 AM
For some reason I think Joel is cool...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on November 20, 2013, 06:59:51 AM
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How many red light tickets did you get Dan??

Amazingly enough zero...that shit was hilarious.  I literally ended up going through five of them while driving in circles in that dumb van.  Was that the morning after Truckee or Harmony Fest?

I got another unpopular opinion too...I really hate Thin Air, song is boring as fuck.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Der Brazilian Kat on November 20, 2013, 07:20:57 AM
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How many red light tickets did you get Dan??
I got another unpopular opinion too...I really hate Thin Air, song is boring as fuck.

I like Thin Air, but it was better the way it was played in SFOW
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 20, 2013, 07:34:04 AM
I cringe at August until the yamz

WOW

I didn't know people like this existed.

idk what it is man.  i even consider myself G4B. it has just never appealed to me and i am not the least bit excited when i hear that opening bass line* at a show
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Carbohydrates on November 20, 2013, 08:25:26 AM
Ill add a few more:

I like RtB
I love morning song and loose ends
Without the improv, i dont like slacker much.  Improv is usually great so overall its a plus, just dont care for the "song"
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: DiabetesCOLE on November 20, 2013, 08:31:15 AM
Ill add a few more:

I like RtB
I love morning song and loose ends
Without the improv, i dont like slacker much.  Improv is usually great so overall its a plus, just dont care for the "song"

You must not be a representative of the midwest. But yeah, its not a song that Im actively chasing or want at a show, but I like it
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: psogator43 on November 20, 2013, 08:31:39 AM
I groan when they start Tinkles or 40s.  I would rather they just skip right to the yams, which I always enjoy in these songs.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: aregan3343 on November 20, 2013, 08:49:12 AM
I love Beatles songs and don't mind a SOYCD (they've only played it 36 times compared to hey nineteen at 75ish).    I like cheesy cock rock covers a lot.  Women, Wine, and Song is chill.  Nemo rules too. 

(3) I dont understand the hate for Walletsworth
(4) I love Words
(5) I love Mantis

also I love front porch and hangover
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 20, 2013, 08:53:10 AM
I wish Jake would sit back more and let Bayliss his thing... I love Jake but too much fire sometimes...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 20, 2013, 08:53:38 AM
I groan when they start Tinkles or 40s.  I would rather they just skip right to the yams, which I always enjoy in these songs.

Agreed with 40's.

My biggest gripe with SOYCD is that they do the whole long patient build up, then when the song finally picks up and starts rocking, they only play that part for like 30 seconds then end the song. If they're gonna make us suffer through that slow, energy-less song, they should at least jam out the ending a little more.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Kev347 on November 20, 2013, 08:58:47 AM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it. Also, I LOVE Morning Song. Guess I just like emo Bayliss :)

On the other hand, I'm really not all that thrilled with Jajunk. It's such an awkward, cheesy song to me compositionally (though when I'm drunk enough I guess I dig the ending). And the jams there really miss more often than they hit these days. Seriously, Triple Wide has probably had a better 2013 than Jajunk.

Mantis is tied with 1348 as my most seen song and I still will never piss during it :)

I'm not usually into the more groove based songs but they really hit on something with Booth Love. The intro is way too long though. I feel like if the intro were shorter, we'd enjoy it more.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 20, 2013, 09:06:35 AM
I don't like Mulche's. And I don't know why...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AvocadoRivalry on November 20, 2013, 09:14:01 AM
I don't like Mulche's. And I don't know why...

I guess you don't like coffee, pancakes, and/or bacon then...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Wizard on November 20, 2013, 09:14:33 AM
1) I absolutely hate 2X2. The vocals, the lego feel. It feels way more pushed together than some of their other pieced together songs. The acoustic version at UMBowl was pretty much the worst thing ever to me. I understand it used to be a monster improve wise, but now this song is relegated to sandwiches or maybe one solid version a year.
2) Jake is too ADHD for his own good sometimes. I know this band thrives on mixing it up, but some nights he's really on and then just defers or abandons stuff
3) Related, Jake leans on that octave pedal WAY too much (the DEN guitar noise, AKA his go to for pretty much every jam in 2012)
4) We get it: UM started playing together when Snoop & Dre were in their heyday, but that doesn't mean you have to tease every song they every made, or throw Andy up front to rap with his random suburban white friends who are completely blasted when they get on stage (See It Ain't No Fun from Halloween this year)
5) I tend to enjoy the pre-recorded intros. They segue the pre-show excitement right into the first actual song played. It keeps the energy alive for a little longer
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AvocadoRivalry on November 20, 2013, 09:21:27 AM
1) I absolutely hate 2X2. The vocals, the lego feel. It feels way more pushed together than some of their other pieced together songs. The acoustic version at UMBowl was pretty much the worst thing ever to me. I understand it used to be a monster improve wise, but now this song is relegated to sandwiches or maybe one solid version a year.
2) Jake is too ADHD for his own good sometimes. I know this band thrives on mixing it up, but some nights he's really on and then just defers or abandons stuff
3) Related, Jake leans on that octave pedal WAY too much (the DEN guitar noise, AKA his go to for pretty much every jam in 2012)
4) We get it: UM started playing together when Snoop & Dre were in their heyday, but that doesn't mean you have to tease every song they every made, or throw Andy up front to rap with his random suburban white friends who are completely blasted when they get on stage (See It Ain't No Fun from Halloween this year)
5) I tend to enjoy the pre-recorded intros. They segue the pre-show excitement right into the first actual song played. It keeps the energy alive for a little longer

Agree with almost all of this. 

1) 2x2 is a terrible song, and because it almost always has improv (which I agree has rarely been spectacular over recent years) and is a long song to begin with, it eats up 1/4 to 1/3 of a set. 

2) I feel like this is the reason certain jams fall flat. There are times where Jake is doing something that takes improv in a new direction and it works, but there are also times where it is counter-productive to a jam and feels disjointed.

3) So glad this has been a little less prominent this year.

4) Yes, yes, yes.

5) I agree with this to an extent, but they did use them a little too much.  I think a mixture of these, just dropping into a song, and old-school JOs to open a show would be perfect, but I'm more happy with the balance that they've achieved this year than last re: pre-recorded intros vs. dropping into a song.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 20, 2013, 09:23:01 AM
I don't like Mulche's. And I don't know why...

I guess you don't like coffee, pancakes, and/or bacon then...

Coffee- no
Pancakes- hell no; waffles all the way
Bacon- Love bacon  :bacon:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 20, 2013, 09:30:32 AM
I wish Jake would sit back more and let Bayliss his thing... I love Jake but too much fire sometimes...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Mittens on November 20, 2013, 09:31:23 AM
Nemo is a top 5-7 Favorite song of mine.....
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 20, 2013, 09:39:47 AM
I got another unpopular opinion too...I really hate Thin Air, song is boring as fuck.

I don't not like it but to me, I think of Thin Air like White Man's Moccasin's.....just solo wankery, and I'm not a fan. WMM, compositionally, is pretty incredible but I could honestly do without the ending.

Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it.

Go listen to 3/23/07 IC and thank me later.

I wish Jake would sit back more and let Bayliss his thing... I love Jake but too much fire sometimes...

This! And it kind of goes hand-in-hand with what Matt (wizardburialwalk) said about Jake's ADD/ADHD. Jake really can make a whole show all on his own but he can just as easily ruin a piece of improv and to a lesser extent, a whole show. We get it that he's a guitar maestro but I wish he'd lay back and mix rhythms with Baylor. Some of those riffs Baylor comes up with are just so smooth and creative. When Baylor is given space to shine and lead things, more often than not it ends with a big payoff. I just wish Jake played a little more reserved at times. His role is "stunt guitarist" but it doesn't always have to be that way and he can build some of that texture with Baylor.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: womenwineandpoly on November 20, 2013, 09:42:48 AM
I think Umphrey's would work fine without Farag.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Dr. Keefsmoke on November 20, 2013, 09:44:11 AM
they should skip the entire intro to booth love and just start it up with the funky progression.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 20, 2013, 09:47:50 AM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it.

Go listen to 3/23/07 IC and thank me later.

Is that the one with lyrics? And was on the Raw Stewage twice and didn't get played? If so, what a fucking shame it wasn't voted on. This IC is AWESOME!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 20, 2013, 10:02:08 AM
they should skip the entire intro to booth love and just start it up with the funky progression.

Could not disagree more! The intro is my favorite part. Once the album part of the song starts up I get bored for awhile.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 20, 2013, 10:03:13 AM
I don't not like it but to me, I think of Thin Air like White Man's Moccasin's.....just solo wankery, and I'm not a fan. WMM, compositionally, is pretty incredible but I could honestly do without the ending.
Two standard songs I always welcome.  I like Jake's "solo wankery", particularly when it is in a jazzy vein.

I absolutely hate 2X2. The vocals, the lego feel. It feels way more pushed together than some of their other pieced together songs. The acoustic version at UMBowl was pretty much the worst thing ever to me. I understand it used to be a monster improve wise, but now this song is relegated to sandwiches or maybe one solid version a year.
I love Bayliss' playing in this song. 

I could go without hearing Haji ever again.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AvocadoRivalry on November 20, 2013, 10:03:40 AM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it.

Go listen to 3/23/07 IC and thank me later.

Is that the one with lyrics? And was on the Raw Stewage twice and didn't get played? If so, what a fucking shame it wasn't voted on. This IC is AWESOME!

I think there was only one IC from Raw Stewage this past year, and it doesn't have lyrics, but I'm pretty sure it's the 3/23/07 one.  The second section that starts out in 5/8 is awesome and continues from there.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 20, 2013, 10:12:23 AM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it.

Go listen to 3/23/07 IC and thank me later.

Is that the one with lyrics? And was on the Raw Stewage twice and didn't get played? If so, what a fucking shame it wasn't voted on. This IC is AWESOME!

I think there was only one IC from Raw Stewage this past year, and it doesn't have lyrics, but I'm pretty sure it's the 3/23/07 one.  The second section that starts out in 5/8 is awesome and continues from there.

Ya you're right. Still an awesome IC!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AvocadoRivalry on November 20, 2013, 10:14:12 AM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it.

Go listen to 3/23/07 IC and thank me later.

Is that the one with lyrics? And was on the Raw Stewage twice and didn't get played? If so, what a fucking shame it wasn't voted on. This IC is AWESOME!

I think there was only one IC from Raw Stewage this past year, and it doesn't have lyrics, but I'm pretty sure it's the 3/23/07 one.  The second section that starts out in 5/8 is awesome and continues from there.

Ya you're right. Still an awesome IC!

The other one from the 2012 Raw Stewage ballot is the lyrical you're talking about - 03/03/11.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 20, 2013, 10:20:22 AM
i like IC as a song.
don't really care for dear lord... basically a less-played glory.
mantis reverse boofs whatever drugs i'm on. #shardshartz
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 20, 2013, 10:25:47 AM
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don't really care for dear lord... basically a less-played glory.

This. It's a poor man's Glory. It was cool when it was a rarity and it had the "OMG bustout!!!!" factor, but now that they play it twice a month it's really lost its novelty. It's a simple song, it's pretty, but I don't need to hear it as much as I do.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: SleepytimeGorilla on November 20, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,

Uh, no. Not any more.

I just assumed this was a joke. In 2001, maybe? :facepalm:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: womenwineandpoly on November 20, 2013, 10:41:39 AM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,

Uh, no. Not any more.

I just assumed this was a joke. In 2001, maybe? :facepalm:
I knew that would russle some panties here.  Phish is definitely a tighter band. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 20, 2013, 10:45:33 AM
they should skip the entire intro to booth love and just start it up with the funky progression.

Could not disagree more! The intro is my favorite part. Once the album part of the song starts up I get bored for awhile.

it's hardly a "funky progression" without the intro
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on November 20, 2013, 10:47:29 AM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,

Uh, no. Not any more.

I just assumed this was a joke. In 2001, maybe? :facepalm:
I knew that would russle some panties here.  Phish is definitely a tighter band.

The guitar player cant even nail his own compositions consistently, so no Phish is not a tighter band. You can make the case in the mid-90's maybe but even then I feel like UM has always had more of a sense of tightness.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: JWelsh on November 20, 2013, 10:52:16 AM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,

Uh, no. Not any more.

I just assumed this was a joke. In 2001, maybe? :facepalm:

I knew that would russle some panties here.  Phish is definitely a tighter band.

Definitely not in 3.0; maybe not in 2.0. Trey flubs just about every composed section, members rip-cord jams right and left. Simply because Fishman is a metronome doesn't mean the band is tighter. Much easier, too, to move through an improv as a four-piece than a six-piece.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on November 20, 2013, 10:53:40 AM
Go back to the green board with that utter nonsense!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 20, 2013, 11:01:55 AM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it.

Go listen to 3/23/07 IC and thank me later.

Is that the one with lyrics? And was on the Raw Stewage twice and didn't get played? If so, what a fucking shame it wasn't voted on. This IC is AWESOME!

I think there was only one IC from Raw Stewage this past year, and it doesn't have lyrics, but I'm pretty sure it's the 3/23/07 one.  The second section that starts out in 5/8 is awesome and continues from there.

Ya you're right. Still an awesome IC!

No, it's more than an awesome IC. It's arguably the best, depending on what you frame as IC for the 6/5/08 IC -> Synco. Jake simply demolishes the 3/23/07 IC. IIRC, the first half of that jam is a repeat of the Haji stew from 3/22/07 but they start up this really beautiful theme, with Joel and Jake doubling up on the melody, and then the real magic starts to happen. Go on UMLive.net and queue this bad boy up. Jake's guitar work will make you smile. Lots of emotion, lots of patience, lots of restraint. Built up tension. It's pretty fucking magnificent if you ask me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Dr. Keefsmoke on November 20, 2013, 11:05:09 AM
they should skip the entire intro to booth love and just start it up with the funky progression.

Could not disagree more! The intro is my favorite part. Once the album part of the song starts up I get bored for awhile.

it's hardly a "funky progression" without the intro

how so? it's 2 completely different parts.  oh wait you cringe at august so your opinion doesnt natter
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UmphreakinPoopinAtItAgain on November 20, 2013, 11:18:13 AM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,

Uh, no. Not any more.

I just assumed this was a joke. In 2001, maybe? :facepalm:

I knew that would russle some panties here.  Phish is definitely a tighter band.

Definitely not in 3.0; maybe not in 2.0. Trey flubs just about every composed section, members rip-cord jams right and left. Simply because Fishman is a metronome doesn't mean the band is tighter. Much easier, too, to move through an improv as a four-piece than a six-piece.

Different strokes

To me, theres an inverse relationship between both bands

Phish in 3.0 continues to get tigher and UM does not, although UM is still a tight band.  Umphrey's McGee wasn't even a band in the 1.0 era (the years you think Phish was tighter than UM)

My favorite years for UM are 07 & 08 though, right before Phish's return.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Mittens on November 20, 2013, 11:32:38 AM
this thread reminds me of the time I farted, and poop came out.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on November 20, 2013, 11:37:57 AM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,

Uh, no. Not any more.

I just assumed this was a joke. In 2001, maybe? :facepalm:

I knew that would russle some panties here.  Phish is definitely a tighter band.

Definitely not in 3.0; maybe not in 2.0. Trey flubs just about every composed section, members rip-cord jams right and left. Simply because Fishman is a metronome doesn't mean the band is tighter. Much easier, too, to move through an improv as a four-piece than a six-piece.

Phish in 3.0 continues to get tigher and UM does not, although UM is still a tight band.


Considering where Phish 3.0 started, it's not really saying much that they're getting tighter.

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UmphreakinPoopinAtItAgain on November 20, 2013, 11:44:41 AM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,

Uh, no. Not any more.

I just assumed this was a joke. In 2001, maybe? :facepalm:

I knew that would russle some panties here.  Phish is definitely a tighter band.

Definitely not in 3.0; maybe not in 2.0. Trey flubs just about every composed section, members rip-cord jams right and left. Simply because Fishman is a metronome doesn't mean the band is tighter. Much easier, too, to move through an improv as a four-piece than a six-piece.

Phish in 3.0 continues to get tigher and UM does not, although UM is still a tight band.


Considering where Phish 3.0 started, it's not really saying much that they're getting tighter.

My quote from another thread:

the phish are pretty tight

wouldn't have said this in 2009, but at this point in time I agree
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 20, 2013, 11:55:20 AM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it.

Go listen to 3/23/07 IC and thank me later.

Is that the one with lyrics? And was on the Raw Stewage twice and didn't get played? If so, what a fucking shame it wasn't voted on. This IC is AWESOME!

I think there was only one IC from Raw Stewage this past year, and it doesn't have lyrics, but I'm pretty sure it's the 3/23/07 one.  The second section that starts out in 5/8 is awesome and continues from there.

Ya you're right. Still an awesome IC!

No, it's more than an awesome IC. It's arguably the best, depending on what you frame as IC for the 6/5/08 IC -> Synco. Jake simply demolishes the 3/23/07 IC. IIRC, the first half of that jam is a repeat of the Haji stew from 3/22/07 but they start up this really beautiful theme, with Joel and Jake doubling up on the melody, and then the real magic starts to happen. Go on UMLive.net and queue this bad boy up. Jake's guitar work will make you smile. Lots of emotion, lots of patience, lots of restraint. Built up tension. It's pretty fucking magnificent if you ask me.

I've listened to it a couple times... I should have put in OP that I preferred the 3/23/07 version to the IC -> Synco segment. Jake really does destroy this jam!! It really gives me chills just listening now!!!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 20, 2013, 11:57:16 AM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it.

Go listen to 3/23/07 IC and thank me later.

Is that the one with lyrics? And was on the Raw Stewage twice and didn't get played? If so, what a fucking shame it wasn't voted on. This IC is AWESOME!

I think there was only one IC from Raw Stewage this past year, and it doesn't have lyrics, but I'm pretty sure it's the 3/23/07 one.  The second section that starts out in 5/8 is awesome and continues from there.

Ya you're right. Still an awesome IC!

No, it's more than an awesome IC. It's arguably the best, depending on what you frame as IC for the 6/5/08 IC -> Synco. Jake simply demolishes the 3/23/07 IC. IIRC, the first half of that jam is a repeat of the Haji stew from 3/22/07 but they start up this really beautiful theme, with Joel and Jake doubling up on the melody, and then the real magic starts to happen. Go on UMLive.net and queue this bad boy up. Jake's guitar work will make you smile. Lots of emotion, lots of patience, lots of restraint. Built up tension. It's pretty fucking magnificent if you ask me.

I've listened to it a couple times... I should have put in OP that I preferred the 3/23/07 version to the IC -> Synco segment. Jake really does destroy this jam!! It really gives me chills just listening now!!!

Haha awesome. Didn't mean to hit you over the head constantly with it but it's really just a fantastic piece of music.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Wrapped around Chicago on November 20, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
this thread reminds me of the time I farted, and poop came out.

Lmao epic post.

Seems like lots of complaining about songs people have seen too many times. So you saw 5 booth loves last month. Maybe you need a break from the band
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 20, 2013, 12:02:31 PM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it.

Go listen to 3/23/07 IC and thank me later.

Is that the one with lyrics? And was on the Raw Stewage twice and didn't get played? If so, what a fucking shame it wasn't voted on. This IC is AWESOME!

I think there was only one IC from Raw Stewage this past year, and it doesn't have lyrics, but I'm pretty sure it's the 3/23/07 one.  The second section that starts out in 5/8 is awesome and continues from there.

Ya you're right. Still an awesome IC!

No, it's more than an awesome IC. It's arguably the best, depending on what you frame as IC for the 6/5/08 IC -> Synco. Jake simply demolishes the 3/23/07 IC. IIRC, the first half of that jam is a repeat of the Haji stew from 3/22/07 but they start up this really beautiful theme, with Joel and Jake doubling up on the melody, and then the real magic starts to happen. Go on UMLive.net and queue this bad boy up. Jake's guitar work will make you smile. Lots of emotion, lots of patience, lots of restraint. Built up tension. It's pretty fucking magnificent if you ask me.

I've listened to it a couple times... I should have put in OP that I preferred the 3/23/07 version to the IC -> Synco segment. Jake really does destroy this jam!! It really gives me chills just listening now!!!

Haha awesome. Didn't mean to hit you over the head constantly with it but it's really just a fantastic piece of music.

No worries dude! It really is a fantastic piece of music!!!! And I'm very disappointed that it prob won't ever be revisited either...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: JWelsh on November 20, 2013, 12:05:30 PM
Phish is a tighter band.  Also,

Uh, no. Not any more.

I just assumed this was a joke. In 2001, maybe? :facepalm:

I knew that would russle some panties here.  Phish is definitely a tighter band.

Definitely not in 3.0; maybe not in 2.0. Trey flubs just about every composed section, members rip-cord jams right and left. Simply because Fishman is a metronome doesn't mean the band is tighter. Much easier, too, to move through an improv as a four-piece than a six-piece.

Different strokes

Different strokes? It's the truth, lol. I really don't hear "tightness" in Phish. They appear to be improvising more, and taking more chances, than four years ago. But that does not mean they are "tight."
___

I like Forks and Wellwishers, and wish I saw those songs at my next show(s).
I love songs like Hajimemashite and August. And I could always do with Sweetness/Glory/Dear Lord/Visions.
As you all know, I don't like Space Funk Booty at all. And used to not enjoy Dump City.
Never been much of a fan of the first part of Syncopated Strangers. And I don't really like Walletsworth.
Tinkle's is overplayed.
The opening vocals of Mantis are some of Brendan's best, coupled with the music.
I like JO's, recorded or played. And I don't mind repeated "Stewarts."
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on November 20, 2013, 12:11:43 PM
No worries dude! It really is a fantastic piece of music!!!! And I'm very disappointed that it prob won't ever be revisited either...

Yeah, that 3/22/07 IC is one of my top 5 pieces of UM improv ever.  So beautiful...iirc, Joel tweeted it just missed the cut for the first Raw Stewage.  Such a bummer.   :'(
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 20, 2013, 12:13:43 PM
Quote
Tinkle's is overplayed.

I see where you're coming from but I don't think it's been played as much this year. It was only played once over Fall ter.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: mja271 on November 20, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
Gotta be honest, I really don't like the majority of crowds at UM shows. I've noticed it more the last few shows I've seen but I tend to get pretty annoyed with people's behavior around me lately. Idk if it's the crowd trending younger, or maybe I just saw a few rough shows, or I'm getting old like Joel, but it's bothered me at times.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 20, 2013, 12:27:32 PM
Gotta be honest, I really don't like the majority of crowds at UM shows. I've noticed it more the last few shows I've seen but I tend to get pretty annoyed with people's behavior around me lately. Idk if it's the crowd trending younger, or maybe I just saw a few rough shows, or I'm getting old like Joel, but it's bothered me at times.

I can't go to shows sober because of the crowd.  I have to be drunk to have a good time, otherwise the crowd gets to me.  Luckily I dont mind drinking so it works out okay  :beers:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Random Ass on November 20, 2013, 12:35:32 PM
1) I absolutely hate 2X2. The vocals, the lego feel. It feels way more pushed together than some of their other pieced together songs. The acoustic version at UMBowl was pretty much the worst thing ever to me. I understand it used to be a monster improve wise, but now this song is relegated to sandwiches or maybe one solid version a year.
2) Jake is too ADHD for his own good sometimes. I know this band thrives on mixing it up, but some nights he's really on and then just defers or abandons stuff
3) Related, Jake leans on that octave pedal WAY too much (the DEN guitar noise, AKA his go to for pretty much every jam in 2012)
4) We get it: UM started playing together when Snoop & Dre were in their heyday, but that doesn't mean you have to tease every song they every made, or throw Andy up front to rap with his random suburban white friends who are completely blasted when they get on stage (See It Ain't No Fun from Halloween this year)
5) I tend to enjoy the pre-recorded intros. They segue the pre-show excitement right into the first actual song played. It keeps the energy alive for a little longer

I agree with you on 3.  Meant to include that in my post but forgot.  I find a lot of those spacey electronic jams that the bort loves to be pretty boring and meandering.

On 4, I hear ya but for the record Adam Budney is their former LD.  Not just some random friend of Andy's.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: womenwineandpoly on November 20, 2013, 12:36:15 PM
Gotta be honest, I really don't like the majority of crowds at UM shows. I've noticed it more the last few shows I've seen but I tend to get pretty annoyed with people's behavior around me lately. Idk if it's the crowd trending younger, or maybe I just saw a few rough shows, or I'm getting old like Joel, but it's bothered me at times.
Just sounds like a new generation of fans.  We were all young and stupid at shows at some point of our lives. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Wizard on November 20, 2013, 12:41:50 PM
1) I absolutely hate 2X2. The vocals, the lego feel. It feels way more pushed together than some of their other pieced together songs. The acoustic version at UMBowl was pretty much the worst thing ever to me. I understand it used to be a monster improve wise, but now this song is relegated to sandwiches or maybe one solid version a year.
2) Jake is too ADHD for his own good sometimes. I know this band thrives on mixing it up, but some nights he's really on and then just defers or abandons stuff
3) Related, Jake leans on that octave pedal WAY too much (the DEN guitar noise, AKA his go to for pretty much every jam in 2012)
4) We get it: UM started playing together when Snoop & Dre were in their heyday, but that doesn't mean you have to tease every song they every made, or throw Andy up front to rap with his random suburban white friends who are completely blasted when they get on stage (See It Ain't No Fun from Halloween this year)
5) I tend to enjoy the pre-recorded intros. They segue the pre-show excitement right into the first actual song played. It keeps the energy alive for a little longer

I agree with you on 3.  Meant to include that in my post but forgot.  I find a lot of those spacey electronic jams that the bort loves to be pretty boring and meandering.

On 4, I hear ya but for the record Adam Budney is their former LD.  Not just some random friend of Andy's.

Ah. I just remember Ain't No Fun sounding like 1 AM karaoke and I wanted it to end. I think I was out of the room when they introduced him, so I couldn't tell who it was. And I hear you on the meandering thing. I do enjoy the edrum stuff and great beats, but those kind of jams seem to handcuff jake and lead to, well, his octave pedal picking
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 20, 2013, 12:42:24 PM
So let me get this straight, there's this other jam band called the Phish that people like to compare UM to?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: RupertPupkin on November 20, 2013, 01:06:57 PM
I don't want UM to become an Arena band - I like them in smaller venues
That will most likely never happen and I can only imagine how turrible the sound would be in an arena sized venue after seeing this past Milwookie run.  Shit I'd be happy just to see them start returning to bigger theaters with solid sound systems like the auditorium or Chicago theatre, but who knows Mitchell might turn all the knobs to 11 there as well.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: FancyWide on November 20, 2013, 01:16:47 PM
1) I absolutely hate 2X2. The vocals, the lego feel. It feels way more pushed together than some of their other pieced together songs. The acoustic version at UMBowl was pretty much the worst thing ever to me. I understand it used to be a monster improve wise, but now this song is relegated to sandwiches or maybe one solid version a year.
2) Jake is too ADHD for his own good sometimes. I know this band thrives on mixing it up, but some nights he's really on and then just defers or abandons stuff
3) Related, Jake leans on that octave pedal WAY too much (the DEN guitar noise, AKA his go to for pretty much every jam in 2012)
4) We get it: UM started playing together when Snoop & Dre were in their heyday, but that doesn't mean you have to tease every song they every made, or throw Andy up front to rap with his random suburban white friends who are completely blasted when they get on stage (See It Ain't No Fun from Halloween this year)
5) I tend to enjoy the pre-recorded intros. They segue the pre-show excitement right into the first actual song played. It keeps the energy alive for a little longer

I agree with you on 3.  Meant to include that in my post but forgot.  I find a lot of those spacey electronic jams that the bort loves to be pretty boring and meandering.

On 4, I hear ya but for the record Adam Budney is their former LD.  Not just some random friend of Andy's.
See you are a fuckin idiot.

2x2 rocks. Pre-recording intros do not. Agreed on the jake stuff though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 20, 2013, 01:24:22 PM
lol random Budney
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Scoobysnacker on November 20, 2013, 01:31:45 PM
lol random Budney
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: FancyWide on November 20, 2013, 01:40:39 PM
this thread reminds me of the time I farted, and poop came out.
Exactly. So much facepalm in this thread.

THANKS A LOT BOBWINN!! 6 pages in one day though, feelin proud I bet!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Puddy on November 20, 2013, 01:44:52 PM
I cringe at August until the yamz

Didn't think you could sound any dumber, but then read this:
I can't go to shows sober because of the crowd.  I have to be drunk to have a good time, otherwise the crowd gets to me.  Luckily I dont mind drinking so it works out okay  :beers:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Wizard on November 20, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
1) I absolutely hate 2X2. The vocals, the lego feel. It feels way more pushed together than some of their other pieced together songs. The acoustic version at UMBowl was pretty much the worst thing ever to me. I understand it used to be a monster improve wise, but now this song is relegated to sandwiches or maybe one solid version a year.
2) Jake is too ADHD for his own good sometimes. I know this band thrives on mixing it up, but some nights he's really on and then just defers or abandons stuff
3) Related, Jake leans on that octave pedal WAY too much (the DEN guitar noise, AKA his go to for pretty much every jam in 2012)
4) We get it: UM started playing together when Snoop & Dre were in their heyday, but that doesn't mean you have to tease every song they every made, or throw Andy up front to rap with his random suburban white friends who are completely blasted when they get on stage (See It Ain't No Fun from Halloween this year)
5) I tend to enjoy the pre-recorded intros. They segue the pre-show excitement right into the first actual song played. It keeps the energy alive for a little longer

I agree with you on 3.  Meant to include that in my post but forgot.  I find a lot of those spacey electronic jams that the bort loves to be pretty boring and meandering.

On 4, I hear ya but for the record Adam Budney is their former LD.  Not just some random friend of Andy's.
See you are a fuckin idiot.

2x2 rocks. Pre-recording intros do not. Agreed on the jake stuff though.

"Unpopular opinions" thread, not "I agree with everything you like" thread. I may be an idiot, but not because I don't like 2X2
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on November 20, 2013, 02:03:08 PM
2x2 is the quintessential UM song IMO.


This thread makes me scratch my head
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 20, 2013, 02:25:23 PM
lol random Budney

This made me laugh!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 20, 2013, 02:27:37 PM
No worries dude! It really is a fantastic piece of music!!!! And I'm very disappointed that it prob won't ever be revisited either...

Yeah, that 3/22/07 IC is one of my top 5 pieces of UM improv ever.  So beautiful...iirc, Joel tweeted it just missed the cut for the first Raw Stewage.  Such a bummer.   :'(

I mean how can you have it on raw stewage twice and not make the cut?!?!? Very disappointed!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: FancyWide on November 20, 2013, 03:10:41 PM
1) I absolutely hate 2X2. The vocals, the lego feel. It feels way more pushed together than some of their other pieced together songs. The acoustic version at UMBowl was pretty much the worst thing ever to me. I understand it used to be a monster improve wise, but now this song is relegated to sandwiches or maybe one solid version a year.
2) Jake is too ADHD for his own good sometimes. I know this band thrives on mixing it up, but some nights he's really on and then just defers or abandons stuff
3) Related, Jake leans on that octave pedal WAY too much (the DEN guitar noise, AKA his go to for pretty much every jam in 2012)
4) We get it: UM started playing together when Snoop & Dre were in their heyday, but that doesn't mean you have to tease every song they every made, or throw Andy up front to rap with his random suburban white friends who are completely blasted when they get on stage (See It Ain't No Fun from Halloween this year)
5) I tend to enjoy the pre-recorded intros. They segue the pre-show excitement right into the first actual song played. It keeps the energy alive for a little longer

I agree with you on 3.  Meant to include that in my post but forgot.  I find a lot of those spacey electronic jams that the bort loves to be pretty boring and meandering.

On 4, I hear ya but for the record Adam Budney is their former LD.  Not just some random friend of Andy's.
See you are a fuckin idiot.

2x2 rocks. Pre-recording intros do not. Agreed on the jake stuff though.

"Unpopular opinions" thread, not "I agree with everything you like" thread. I may be an idiot, but not because I don't like 2X2
Right. You are an idiot for throwing out some generalization that Budney was just a "random suburban white friend" of Andy's. Especially when he sat in with them on the same song not but two years ago, in the same city. See Aint no fun from the Eagles Ballroom 11/5/11.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 20, 2013, 03:20:29 PM
I cringe at August until the yamz

Didn't think you could sound any dumber, but then read this:
I can't go to shows sober because of the crowd.  I have to be drunk to have a good time, otherwise the crowd gets to me.  Luckily I dont mind drinking so it works out okay  :beers:

It's probably assholes like you that have the potential to ruin my time at a show.  What I meant by this was too many people wont shut the fuck up during the show, and if I am sober that is unfortunately all I can tune into...  When I am forced to be sober at a show (driving right after) I normally go rail so I can only see/hear the band.

But really, I am SHOCKED that people on the bort have differing views!  Thank you for pointing out my apparent lack of intelligence for a) feeling differently about a song than you, and b) enjoying listening/watching UM rather than being distracted by people fucking around in the crowd.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 20, 2013, 03:27:40 PM
lolThread, getting worse by the moment
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: RailroadEarther on November 20, 2013, 03:31:12 PM
2x2 is the quintessential UM song IMO.


This thread makes me scratch my head

agreed x2.  Biting my tongue so much reading this thread.   :16:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: FancyWide on November 20, 2013, 03:32:51 PM
I cringe at August until the yamz

Didn't think you could sound any dumber, but then read this:
I can't go to shows sober because of the crowd.  I have to be drunk to have a good time, otherwise the crowd gets to me.  Luckily I dont mind drinking so it works out okay  :beers:

It's probably assholes like you that have the potential to ruin my time at a show.  What I meant by this was too many people wont shut the fuck up during the show, and if I am sober that is unfortunately all I can tune into...  When I am forced to be sober at a show (driving right after) I normally go rail so I can only see/hear the band.

But really, I am SHOCKED that people on the bort have differing views!  Thank you for pointing out my apparent lack of intelligence for a) feeling differently about a song than you, and b) enjoying listening/watching UM rather than being distracted by people fucking around in the crowd.
ahahahaha Robot goes to the rail for some peace and quiet!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Scoobysnacker on November 20, 2013, 03:42:41 PM
I cringe at August until the yamz

Didn't think you could sound any dumber, but then read this:
I can't go to shows sober because of the crowd.  I have to be drunk to have a good time, otherwise the crowd gets to me.  Luckily I dont mind drinking so it works out okay  :beers:

It's probably assholes like you that have the potential to ruin my time at a show.  What I meant by this was too many people wont shut the fuck up during the show, and if I am sober that is unfortunately all I can tune into...  When I am forced to be sober at a show (driving right after) I normally go rail so I can only see/hear the band.

But really, I am SHOCKED that people on the bort have differing views!  Thank you for pointing out my apparent lack of intelligence for a) feeling differently about a song than you, and b) enjoying listening/watching UM rather than being distracted by people fucking around in the crowd.
ahahahaha Robot goes to the rail for some peace and quiet!

Calls people assholes and show ruiners but can't enjoy shows sober.

Goes to rail for best sound and less annoying fans.

Ha.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 20, 2013, 03:42:47 PM
I cringe at August until the yamz

Didn't think you could sound any dumber, but then read this:
I can't go to shows sober because of the crowd.  I have to be drunk to have a good time, otherwise the crowd gets to me.  Luckily I dont mind drinking so it works out okay  :beers:

It's probably assholes like you that have the potential to ruin my time at a show.  What I meant by this was too many people wont shut the fuck up during the show, and if I am sober that is unfortunately all I can tune into...  When I am forced to be sober at a show (driving right after) I normally go rail so I can only see/hear the band.

But really, I am SHOCKED that people on the bort have differing views!  Thank you for pointing out my apparent lack of intelligence for a) feeling differently about a song than you, and b) enjoying listening/watching UM rather than being distracted by people fucking around in the crowd.
ahahahaha Robot goes to the rail for some peace and quiet!

and he's too much of a pussy to drink and drive lol!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on November 20, 2013, 03:45:15 PM
1) I absolutely hate 2X2. The vocals, the lego feel. It feels way more pushed together than some of their other pieced together songs. The acoustic version at UMBowl was pretty much the worst thing ever to me. I understand it used to be a monster improve wise, but now this song is relegated to sandwiches or maybe one solid version a year.

2x2 has only been sandwiched once this year... STL and CLE verions are very superb as well along with several others over the past 3 years .  You should probably do your homework before stating unpopular opinions brah.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 20, 2013, 03:48:08 PM
1) I absolutely hate 2X2. The vocals, the lego feel. It feels way more pushed together than some of their other pieced together songs. The acoustic version at UMBowl was pretty much the worst thing ever to me. I understand it used to be a monster improve wise, but now this song is relegated to sandwiches or maybe one solid version a year.

2x2 has only been sandwiched once this year... STL and CLE verions are very superb as well along with several others over the past 3 years .  You should probably do your homework before stating unpopular opinions brah.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 20, 2013, 03:51:30 PM
I cringe at August until the yamz

Didn't think you could sound any dumber, but then read this:
I can't go to shows sober because of the crowd.  I have to be drunk to have a good time, otherwise the crowd gets to me.  Luckily I dont mind drinking so it works out okay  :beers:

It's probably assholes like you that have the potential to ruin my time at a show.  What I meant by this was too many people wont shut the fuck up during the show, and if I am sober that is unfortunately all I can tune into...  When I am forced to be sober at a show (driving right after) I normally go rail so I can only see/hear the band.

But really, I am SHOCKED that people on the bort have differing views!  Thank you for pointing out my apparent lack of intelligence for a) feeling differently about a song than you, and b) enjoying listening/watching UM rather than being distracted by people fucking around in the crowd.
ahahahaha Robot goes to the rail for some peace and quiet!

and he's too much of a pussy to drink and drive lol!
He probably should just go on couch ter.  He won't have to drink to hear the show and yet he can drink as much as he wants because he won't be driving anywhere.  win/win!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 20, 2013, 03:52:10 PM
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: DiabetesCOLE on November 20, 2013, 03:52:25 PM
I cant stand Synco, completely ruins the flow for me, and standard Synco is like 12 minutes of wasted space. Something always fucks up in that song
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 20, 2013, 03:55:26 PM
I cringe at August until the yamz

Didn't think you could sound any dumber, but then read this:
I can't go to shows sober because of the crowd.  I have to be drunk to have a good time, otherwise the crowd gets to me.  Luckily I dont mind drinking so it works out okay  :beers:

It's probably assholes like you that have the potential to ruin my time at a show.  What I meant by this was too many people wont shut the fuck up during the show, and if I am sober that is unfortunately all I can tune into...  When I am forced to be sober at a show (driving right after) I normally go rail so I can only see/hear the band.

But really, I am SHOCKED that people on the bort have differing views!  Thank you for pointing out my apparent lack of intelligence for a) feeling differently about a song than you, and b) enjoying listening/watching UM rather than being distracted by people fucking around in the crowd.
ahahahaha Robot goes to the rail for some peace and quiet!

and he's too much of a pussy to drink and drive lol!
He probably should just go on couch ter.  He won't have to drink to hear the show and yet he can drink as much as he wants because he won't be driving anywhere.  win/win!

drinking during couch tour makes me want to be there though... maybe people are finally starting to realize how difficult it is being me
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 20, 2013, 03:56:01 PM
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 20, 2013, 04:27:34 PM
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 20, 2013, 04:28:32 PM
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Random Ass on November 20, 2013, 04:38:16 PM
Can this also serve as an "unpopular opinions on the bort" thread?

I really don't like Ween (other than a few songs), Wilco, or LCD Soundsystem, and have no desire to see UM cover these bands.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 20, 2013, 04:39:49 PM
Can this also serve as an "unpopular opinions on the bort" thread?

I really don't like Ween (other than a few songs), Wilco, or LCD Soundsystem, and have no desire to see UM cover these bands.

i don't know how you did it, but you just made the worst post in this thread.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Der Brazilian Kat on November 20, 2013, 04:41:54 PM
Can this also serve as an "unpopular opinions on the bort" thread?

I really don't like Ween (other than a few songs), Wilco, or LCD Soundsystem, and have no desire to see UM cover these bands.

agreed. I couldn't care less for Ween, I happen to HATE Wilco (I'd rather hear UM playing a Nickelback song than a Wilco song). LCD is kinda cool
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Jcubson on November 20, 2013, 04:45:37 PM
Can this also serve as an "unpopular opinions on the bort" thread?

I really don't like Ween (other than a few songs), Wilco, or LCD Soundsystem, and have no desire to see UM cover these bands.

i don't know how you did it, but you just made the worst post in this thread.
Seriously.  Ween is/was fucking awesome live, and I wouldn't consider Wilco my favorite band or anything but what do you dislike about them?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Sociable Hodor on November 20, 2013, 05:01:26 PM
1) JaJunk sucks
2) Glory is overrated
3) Phish sucks
4) Hajimemashite is awesome
5) Cummin's Lies is the best intro
6) A lot of "rare" songs are rare for a reason....they suck
7) Pay the Snucka is awesome
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
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That's why we salute you Mr. Self Quoter,
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Soooooo high right now
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I almost gave up on this thread, so glad I checked back in

Glad i could jump start it for your pleasure :)

To add to my dislike for August (sans jam) and my refusal to attend shows sober unless humping rail, I would like to throw out there that I don't care for the first half of Plunger.

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Random Ass on November 20, 2013, 05:05:26 PM
Can this also serve as an "unpopular opinions on the bort" thread?

I really don't like Ween (other than a few songs), Wilco, or LCD Soundsystem, and have no desire to see UM cover these bands.

i don't know how you did it, but you just made the worst post in this thread.
Seriously.  Ween is/was fucking awesome live, and I wouldn't consider Wilco my favorite band or anything but what do you dislike about them?

Most Ween I've heard just sounds like shit to be honest.  There are some songs I like (Freedom of 76 and Don't Shit Where You Eat to give a couple examples), but for the most part I've never understood the praise they get around here and PT for being great "songwriters."

Wilco I checked out one of their albums once and it just bored the shit out of me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 20, 2013, 05:07:52 PM
1) JaJunk sucks
2) Glory is overrated
3) Phish sucks
4) Hajimemashite is awesome
5) Cummin's Lies is the best intro
6) A lot of "rare" songs are rare for a reason....they suck
7) Pay the Snucka is awesome

I can't count how many times I have emphasized 6 to peeps.  I agree with all of this except JaJunk's improv potential (and I prefer not to discuss 3 b/c people FTFO, and I hate making people FTFO)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 20, 2013, 05:10:05 PM
1) JaJunk sucks
2) Glory is overrated
3) Phish sucks
4) Hajimemashite is awesome
5) Cummin's Lies is the best intro
6) A lot of "rare" songs are rare for a reason....they suck
7) Pay the Snucka is awesome

1 & 4 disagree. Everything else spot on!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: JWelsh on November 20, 2013, 05:12:08 PM
Can this also serve as an "unpopular opinions on the bort" thread?

I really don't like Ween (other than a few songs), Wilco, or LCD Soundsystem, and have no desire to see UM cover these bands.

Ween is more miss than hit for me. Love Wilco. Have no opinion on LCD, but I would probably say they are way overhyped. And I really, really don't like Arcade Fire.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on November 20, 2013, 05:13:28 PM
Can this also serve as an "unpopular opinions on the bort" thread?

I really don't like Ween (other than a few songs), Wilco, or LCD Soundsystem, and have no desire to see UM cover these bands.

Ween is more miss than hit for me. Love Wilco. Have no opinion on LCD, but I would probably say they are way overhyped. And I really, really don't like Arcade Fire.

Agreed on LCD and especially Arcade Fire... Wilco is more miss than hit for me. And I LOVE Ween  :beers:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Scoobysnacker on November 20, 2013, 05:35:12 PM
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cryan024 on November 20, 2013, 05:36:14 PM
I have never been able to get into Arcade Fire, but Ween, LCD, and Wilco are three of my favorite bands.  Especially Ween and LCD.  Their music moves me in ways most bands will never be capable of.  Ween has so many different styles that it is kind of hard to listen to a few songs and make an opinion one way or another on them.  Wilco is just good ole easy listening, and Jeff Tweedy is an amazing songwriter.  LCD is the Talking Heads of my generation.  Fun/danceable music with amazing tongue-in-cheek lyrics.  I really just don't see how anyone could not like these three bands, but if we all were into the same stuff life would be boring.  I guess I can kinda see not liking Ween, but yea, go Brown or go home!!  ;)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: T-Henry on November 20, 2013, 05:56:44 PM
mantis is my #1 pissbreak song.
Wellwishers is the perfect length for a mid-set trip to the bathroom and a quick beer.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not a fan of this song but there are certain versions like 2/17/2012 that have pretty solid jams though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on November 20, 2013, 06:06:12 PM
1) JaJunk sucks
2) Glory is overrated
3) Phish sucks
4) Hajimemashite is awesome
5) Cummin's Lies is the best intro
6) A lot of "rare" songs are rare for a reason....they suck
7) Pay the Snucka is awesome

If you switched songs in 1 and 7 I'd agree with you 100%.

Ween and LCD shit talking?  Where's that ignore user feature snork has been working on the last few years?

I don't know any Wilco though...wouldn't know a song of theirs if it smacked me upside the face.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: mball2 on November 20, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
This may be the Jake video everyone was referencing, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_1ZAHtazNw, sans hat!
Maybe I'm a fluffer but I pretty much like everything this band does; some versions are better than others but they can make any tune into a great one.  That being said I prefer the older UM, 2004-2005 being my favorite period.  I think they are more risk adverse now which makes for safer, cleaner but less exciting shows.
Also while I think when Baylor is on he is the best, and Jake often lets his moods affect how he plays, as of late I think Jake has become a much more thoughtful player; and his ability to make the guitar a virtual part of his being is unrivaled.
Who ever said Andy is disposable is oh so wrong.
I'm an old fuck, and I kinda get a kick out of the crowds., maybe because half of 'em think I'm a DEA agent.
Phish is now or has never been half the band that Umphrey's is, and not just because they have three fourths the members, (but that's part of it).
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Carbohydrates on November 20, 2013, 06:40:02 PM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it. Also, I LOVE Morning Song.
Im with you on both.  I dig IC and not just for the jam, always up for it...  Morning Song too
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: dtbar1 on November 20, 2013, 06:57:37 PM
I don't think a lot of people realize how much Andy adds. One example is from the August at 12/29/2011 in STL. I remember always loving the drums during one section of the jam, and thinking Kris was a beast. Then i got the DVD's in the mail, and there was a close up of Andy during that section and I realized it was him who was playing the part that I love so much, and it was amazing to see how well he worked with Kris.

I wouldn't mind never hearing Glory again.

Also, Joel needs to control the volume of his keyboard better. Hes ruined quite a few HBB and 3x for me by coming in way too loud with an annoying synth.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cryan024 on November 20, 2013, 07:28:10 PM
Phish is now or has never been half the band that Umphrey's is, and not just because they have three fourths the members, (but that's part of it).

I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this statement.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on November 20, 2013, 07:43:57 PM
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You live for the lulz given by people you've never met IRL,
But when nobody remembers you're "totally relevent post"
You have the foresight to quote yourself, b/c "it's kinda funny",
quoted fo muthafuckin truth
That's why we salute you Mr. Self Quoter,
Because we are all to high to remember that post from ten minutes ago
Soooooo high right now
So take a pull from that pipe and post a picture of your kitten,
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: peyotecoyote on November 20, 2013, 07:47:55 PM
Phish is now or has never been half the band that Umphrey's is, and not just because they have three fourths the members, (but that's part of it).

I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this statement.

I'd love to hear how many math classes he took growing up.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 20, 2013, 08:16:59 PM
Phish is now or has never been half the band that Umphrey's is, and not just because they have three fourths the members, (but that's part of it).

I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this statement.

I'd love to hear how many math classes he took growing up.

Lol math. Watch moar Futurama.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 20, 2013, 08:22:48 PM
Also, Joel needs to control the volume of his keyboard better. Hes ruined quite a few HBB and 3x for me by coming in way too loud with an annoying synth.
Yeah, not like the guy on the soundboard can adjust that?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Bron Yr Aur on November 20, 2013, 08:32:20 PM
Apparently a lot of folks ITT don't know the difference between an "unpopular opinion" and outright complaining/whining.

I like Hourglass.  And Push the Pig. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: peyotecoyote on November 20, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
Phish is now or has never been half the band that Umphrey's is, and not just because they have three fourths the members, (but that's part of it).

I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this statement.

I'd love to hear how many math classes he took growing up.

Lol math. Watch moar Futurama.


I've fallen behind, barely saw any of the last couple seasons...    :-[
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: mball2 on November 20, 2013, 09:47:39 PM
This may be the Jake video everyone was referencing, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_1ZAHtazNw, sans hat!
Maybe I'm a fluffer but I pretty much like everything this band does; some versions are better than others but they can make any tune into a great one.  That being said I prefer the older UM, 2004-2005 being my favorite period.  I think they are more risk adverse now which makes for safer, cleaner but less exciting shows.
Also while I think when Baylor is on he is the best, and Jake often lets his moods affect how he plays, as of late I think Jake has become a much more thoughtful player; and his ability to make the guitar a virtual part of his being is unrivaled.
Who ever said Andy is disposable is oh so wrong.
I'm an old fuck, and I kinda get a kick out of the crowds., maybe because half of 'em think I'm a DEA agent.
Phish is now or has never been half the band that Umphrey's is, and not just because they have three fourths the members, (but that's part of it).
Oops! Never mind.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: subliminal_mess on November 20, 2013, 10:33:20 PM
Can this also serve as an "unpopular opinions on the bort" thread?

I really don't like Ween (other than a few songs), Wilco, or LCD Soundsystem, and have no desire to see UM cover these bands.
I bet you like ketchup on your steak, though, you tasteless weirdo
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cryan024 on November 21, 2013, 12:18:35 AM
I think the "we want the Umph" chant is kinda lame. 

I prefer Rock Fuzz to OG.

I think CtC is kinda overrated.

I wish UM wasn't so "tight."

I don't hate Push the Pig and actually think it is a pretty kick ass song.  Even though I wish there was more variation in the types of improv it spawns now days.


edit: I have no desire to ever see the band bring back Bob.

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Jcubson on November 21, 2013, 12:25:33 AM
I think the "we want the Umph" chant is kinda lame. 

I prefer Rock Fuzz to OG.

I think CtC is kinda overrated.

I wish UM wasn't so "tight."

I don't hate Push the Pig and actually think it is a pretty kick ass song.  Even though I wish there was more variation in the types of improv it spawns now days.


edit: I have no desire to ever see the band bring back Bob.
why
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cryan024 on November 21, 2013, 12:33:25 AM
I think the "we want the Umph" chant is kinda lame. 

I prefer Rock Fuzz to OG.

I think CtC is kinda overrated.

I wish UM wasn't so "tight."

I don't hate Push the Pig and actually think it is a pretty kick ass song.  Even though I wish there was more variation in the types of improv it spawns now days.


edit: I have no desire to ever see the band bring back Bob.
why

just personal preference.  looser playing leads to looser improv, which is usually more up my ally.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Jcubson on November 21, 2013, 01:58:16 AM
I think the "we want the Umph" chant is kinda lame. 

I prefer Rock Fuzz to OG.

I think CtC is kinda overrated.

I wish UM wasn't so "tight."

I don't hate Push the Pig and actually think it is a pretty kick ass song.  Even though I wish there was more variation in the types of improv it spawns now days.


edit: I have no desire to ever see the band bring back Bob.
why

just personal preference.  looser playing leads to looser improv, which is usually more up my ally.
As far as composed sections of songs though I'd prefer tight all the way.   I get what you mean about the improv aspect though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 21, 2013, 07:17:14 AM
Phish is now or has never been half the band that Umphrey's is, and not just because they have three fourths the members, (but that's part of it).

I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this statement.

I'd love to hear how many math classes he took growing up.

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UmphreakinPoopinAtItAgain on November 21, 2013, 07:46:14 AM
Phish is now or has never been half the band that Umphrey's is, and not just because they have three fourths the members, (but that's part of it).

So let me get this straight, there's this other jam band called the Phish that people like to compare UM to?

And UM wouldn't be half the band they are today if it wasn't for Phish.

Thank Phish for taking a break from 2004 - 2009 so UM could start gaining more popularity.  People wanted another band to follow in Phish's absence.

Whether you like it or not, UM was inspired by Phish.  Look at their old setlists for christs sake!  It's Umphrey's fault that people compare them to Phish in the first place.  And it's Umphrey's fault they are associated with the jam scene.

Phish doesn't want to be associated with the Dead in the same sense that Umphrey's doesn't want to be asscoiated with Phish, but the truth is neither band would have gotten anywhere if they hadn't ridden other bands coattails
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: aregan3343 on November 21, 2013, 08:21:22 AM
i like the we want the umph chant  :tumbleweed:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on November 21, 2013, 08:39:13 AM
I've been listening to UM since 2004 and I love Morning Song.  I cannot for the life of me think how anyone could compare the effects on a set of a Morning Song v. SOYCD.  It's not even fucking close.

Miss Tinkles and Mulche's are great songs compositionally.  I've heard them each a million times and would rather not see either for a long time.

And for the final flame-inducing harsh truth:



Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...
 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: subliminal_mess on November 21, 2013, 09:06:48 AM
I think the "we want the Umph" chant is kinda lame. 

I prefer Rock Fuzz to OG.

I think CtC is kinda overrated.

I wish UM wasn't so "tight."

I don't hate Push the Pig and actually think it is a pretty kick ass song.  Even though I wish there was more variation in the types of improv it spawns now days.


edit: I have no desire to ever see the band bring back Bob.
why

just personal preference.  looser playing leads to looser improv, which is usually more up my ally.
I agree, I hate that they don't do a lot of loose improv which kind of holds them back from getting as psychedelic as I'd like them to. It wouldn't have to be all the time, but a few more loose jams here and there where they really put themselves out there (and are ok with a failed experiment) would rekindle my ear boner.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 21, 2013, 09:13:03 AM
I think the "we want the Umph" chant is kinda lame. 

I prefer Rock Fuzz to OG.

I think CtC is kinda overrated.

I wish UM wasn't so "tight."

I don't hate Push the Pig and actually think it is a pretty kick ass song.  Even though I wish there was more variation in the types of improv it spawns now days.


edit: I have no desire to ever see the band bring back Bob.
why

just personal preference.  looser playing leads to looser improv, which is usually more up my ally.
I agree, I hate that they don't do a lot of loose improv which kind of holds them back from getting as psychedelic as I'd like them to. It wouldn't have to be all the time, but a few more loose jams here and there where they really put themselves out there (and are ok with a failed experiment) would rekindle my ear boner.

exactly why songlist shows rule.  i'd love to see what this band would evolve into if they dropped setlists for a year... or forever.

on top of this, i've heard several transitions that would have been epic if they dropped the intro to the song they're going into.  if you're already playing part b of the song you're going into, skip part a dagnabit!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: subliminal_mess on November 21, 2013, 09:24:54 AM
I think the "we want the Umph" chant is kinda lame. 

I prefer Rock Fuzz to OG.

I think CtC is kinda overrated.

I wish UM wasn't so "tight."

I don't hate Push the Pig and actually think it is a pretty kick ass song.  Even though I wish there was more variation in the types of improv it spawns now days.


edit: I have no desire to ever see the band bring back Bob.
why

just personal preference.  looser playing leads to looser improv, which is usually more up my ally.
I agree, I hate that they don't do a lot of loose improv which kind of holds them back from getting as psychedelic as I'd like them to. It wouldn't have to be all the time, but a few more loose jams here and there where they really put themselves out there (and are ok with a failed experiment) would rekindle my ear boner.

exactly why songlist shows rule.  i'd love to see what this band would evolve into if they dropped setlists for a year... or forever.

on top of this, i've heard several transitions that would have been epic if they dropped the intro to the song they're going into.  if you're already playing part b of the song you're going into, skip part a dagnabit!
Plunger'd
Smooth transition = way sexier than restarting the song
SEEGS4DAYS!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 21, 2013, 09:25:23 AM
on top of this, i've heard several transitions that would have been epic if they dropped the intro to the song they're going into.  if you're already playing part b of the song you're going into, skip part a dagnabit!
Can you point to an example of this?  Do you mean rather than just teasing song in a jam, just bust into the section they are teasing and finish the song? 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 21, 2013, 09:27:34 AM
on top of this, i've heard several transitions that would have been epic if they dropped the intro to the song they're going into.  if you're already playing part b of the song you're going into, skip part a dagnabit!
Can you point to an example of this?  Do you mean rather than just teasing song in a jam, just bust into the section they are teasing and finish the song?

ironically the 1st one that comes to mind is from a songlist show, 9/27/06 sociable > bridgeless.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on November 21, 2013, 09:28:19 AM



Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...

technically speaking i agree, though he has a better ear/notion of theory than most do


and for my unliked opinion:
lyrical stews tend to be meh, CtC included...i will never understand what is so great about it

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: RailroadEarther on November 21, 2013, 09:49:55 AM



Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...

technically speaking i agree, though he has a better ear/notion of theory than most do


and for my unliked opinion:
lyrical stews tend to be meh, CtC included...i will never understand what is so great about it

Agreed!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 21, 2013, 09:58:05 AM



Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...

technically speaking i agree, though he has a better ear/notion of theory than most do


and for my unliked opinion:
lyrical stews tend to be meh, CtC included...i will never understand what is so great about it

Agreed!

CtC is just meh to me.  I do enjoy most Cig Cables quite a bit though
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Save_the_Garys on November 21, 2013, 11:06:10 AM
i love red tape, deeper, and higgins. i would much rather see those songs over a number of other "bigger" songs, such as divisions, which is probably the worst one of them all.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: MESanders on November 21, 2013, 11:07:38 AM
I don't like Final Word.  It's whiney and rambling.  I think that what a couple people have said about "rarities" applies here.  If they thought it had potential, they would have made it into a Morning Song-like tune back the original stew first happened.

I DO like Forks and hope it comes back some day.  Beautiful tune that just hasn't been executed perfectly yet.

Lately I've been wishing Umphrey's played more aggressive instrumental proggy music.  I could stand to see 75% of the current groovy, booty shaking tunes of present day go away at least for the time being.  This opinion could very well be influenced by a lot of the other music I've been listening to in the last year or so.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on November 21, 2013, 11:13:28 AM
I don't like Final Word.  It's whiney and rambling.  I think that what a couple people have said about "rarities" applies here.  If they thought it had potential, they would have made it into a Morning Song-like tune back the original stew first happened.

I DO like Forks and hope it comes back some day.  Beautiful tune that just hasn't been executed perfectly yet.

Lately I've been wishing Umphrey's played more aggressive instrumental proggy music.  I could stand to see 75% of the current groovy, booty shaking tunes of present day go away at least for the time being.  This opinion could very well be influenced by a lot of the other music I've been listening to in the last year or so.

I strongly disagree with your opinion on Final Word, but I'm with you on wanting more aggressive proggy stuff. Dance-y UM doesn't do as much for me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Save_the_Garys on November 21, 2013, 11:14:25 AM
forks is the worst

dance jams all day!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on November 21, 2013, 11:40:32 AM



Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...

technically speaking i agree, though he has a better ear/notion of theory than most do



I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you guys haven't seen Joel with Bill Evans, Everyone Orchestra, or in a jazz setting? Joel holds back more in UM than Stasik does.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: ravskee311 on November 21, 2013, 11:47:08 AM
I like Booth Love AND Deeper.  don't know if I love them, but also don't get the hate either. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Mittens on November 21, 2013, 11:53:21 AM
forks is the worst

dance jams all day!


hahaha, gar EEEEEE!!!!!!

atypical jams ftw........
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on November 21, 2013, 11:56:13 AM



Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...

technically speaking i agree, though he has a better ear/notion of theory than most do



I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you guys haven't seen Joel with Bill Evans, Everyone Orchestra, or in a jazz setting? Joel holds back more in UM than Stasik does.

wasn't knocking joel at all, but when it comes to straight technicality, most of the band has him beat (maybe not stasik or farag?)

FWIW, joel is my favorite member of the band and i think he is the best member of umph when it comes to improv
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Dr. Keefsmoke on November 21, 2013, 12:03:09 PM
forks is the worst

dance jams all day!

says the guy with a million bisco references on an umphreys mcgee board  ::)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 21, 2013, 12:15:56 PM
Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...
technically speaking i agree, though he has a better ear/notion of theory than most do
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you guys haven't seen Joel with Bill Evans, Everyone Orchestra, or in a jazz setting? Joel holds back more in UM than Stasik does.

Agreed.  Joel is insanely good.  Just because he isn't diddling around on the clavi or forcefeed you unnecessary organ washes for the whole fucking show like many other "jam" keys guys doesn't mean he isn't "good."  It just means he plays a different style than you're used to.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on November 21, 2013, 12:17:36 PM
JOEL JOEL JOEL JOEL JOEL JOEL JOEL JOEL

i love red tape, deeper, and higgins. i would much rather see those songs over a number of other "bigger" songs, such as divisions, which is probably the worst one of them all.

I dont love these songs, but I enjoy seeing them live because of their improv ability.  People hating on deeper is a head scratcher to me sometimes because they take away the fact of the quality improv it can produce.  Red Tape is such a good jam vehicle.. I really hope it makes it comeback soon.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 21, 2013, 12:24:07 PM
joel and stasik often "hold back" so much that it takes away from the band's full sound.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: FancyWide on November 21, 2013, 12:41:55 PM
joel and stasik often "hold back" so much that it takes away from the band's full sound.
Agreed. A lot of my favorite jams are lead by one of these two.

Also, Dr Keefsmoke, this is an Umphreys Mcgee board, but you seem surprised that a lot of Umphreys Mcgee fans over the past decade have developed an appreciation for the band that they used to tour with, are friends with, and just flat out jams more. I am pretty sure you are a noob anyway, so maybe in like 3 or 4 years you will get it. I wrote off the Biscuits early as well, and only seeing them 3 times compared to over 50 for UM from 2006-2009 is one of my biggest regrets. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: subliminal_mess on November 21, 2013, 12:44:09 PM
Joel just isn't as fluid as his contemporaries
He has opportunities to just rip and often he sounds awkward and unsure or disjointed and off
I appreciate his piano compositions, though, and he is stylish
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 21, 2013, 12:45:29 PM
joel and stasik often "hold back" so much that it takes away from the band's full sound.
Resolution, start about 6:00 mark.  https://archive.org/details/um2011-11-04.mk41.flac24

Pretty straight forward jam that just slowly builds in intensity, Stasik and Joel pretty much take the reigns early on, don't feel like they "held back" at all.  While this one didn't clock in at 20 minutes, the adding of layers and textures as it progresses suit my tastes well.  Bayliss vox and Jake's riffs take over towards the end.  It was pretty popular at the time to hate on this show, so I assume unpopular of me to fluff this short and concise jam.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 21, 2013, 12:50:01 PM
joel and stasik often "hold back" so much that it takes away from the band's full sound.
Resolution, start about 6:00 mark.  https://archive.org/details/um2011-11-04.mk41.flac24

Pretty straight forward jam that just slowly builds in intensity, Stasik and Joel pretty much take the reigns early on, don't feel like they "held back" at all.  While this one didn't clock in at 20 minutes, the adding of layers and textures as it progresses suit my tastes well.  Bayliss vox and Jake's riffs take over towards the end.  It was pretty popular at the time to hate on this show, so I assume unpopular of me to fluff this short and concise jam.

i said often, not always, dummy.  both are talented, both sometimes get lost in actual improv (not "practiced improv" lol) and take a long time to find a groove, creating holes in the band's sound.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Save_the_Garys on November 21, 2013, 12:53:11 PM
Also, Dr Keefsmoke, this is an Umphreys Mcgee board, but you seem surprised that a lot of Umphreys Mcgee fans over the past decade have developed an appreciation for the band that they used to tour with, are friends with, and just flat out jams more. I am pretty sure you are a noob anyway, so maybe in like 3 or 4 years you will get it. I wrote off the Biscuits early as well, and only seeing them 3 times compared to over 50 for UM from 2006-2009 is one of my biggest regrets.

here's an unpopular opinion about umphrey's: throughout both of their careers, the biscuits have produced more interesting shows/jams than umphrey's has

i love red tape, deeper, and higgins. i would much rather see those songs over a number of other "bigger" songs, such as divisions, which is probably the worst one of them all.

I dont love these songs, but I enjoy seeing them live because of their improv ability.  People hating on deeper is a head scratcher to me sometimes because they take away the fact of the quality improv it can produce.  Red Tape is such a good jam vehicle.. I really hope it makes it comeback soon.

obviously i love what these songs produce in the improv setting, but i really do love the songs themselves.

red tape is easily one of my favorite jam vehicles. the way they can smoothly slide into the ending is so great. that type of thing is a rarity among UM songs.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: FancyWide on November 21, 2013, 12:57:47 PM
Red Tape in 2011 was the last true reign of a clear-cut MVP for improv in a calendar year IMO. What the hell happened to it?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Dr. Keefsmoke on November 21, 2013, 12:59:23 PM
joel and stasik often "hold back" so much that it takes away from the band's full sound.
Agreed. A lot of my favorite jams are lead by one of these two.

Also, Dr Keefsmoke, this is an Umphreys Mcgee board, but you seem surprised that a lot of Umphreys Mcgee fans over the past decade have developed an appreciation for the band that they used to tour with, are friends with, and just flat out jams more. I am pretty sure you are a noob anyway, so maybe in like 3 or 4 years you will get it. I wrote off the Biscuits early as well, and only seeing them 3 times compared to over 50 for UM from 2006-2009 is one of my biggest regrets.

Calling people noobs when your first show was in 2006? that's funny.  I'm old enough to be your dad probably.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 21, 2013, 01:00:02 PM
joel and stasik often "hold back" so much that it takes away from the band's full sound.
Resolution, start about 6:00 mark.  https://archive.org/details/um2011-11-04.mk41.flac24

Pretty straight forward jam that just slowly builds in intensity, Stasik and Joel pretty much take the reigns early on, don't feel like they "held back" at all.  While this one didn't clock in at 20 minutes, the adding of layers and textures as it progresses suit my tastes well.  Bayliss vox and Jake's riffs take over towards the end.  It was pretty popular at the time to hate on this show, so I assume unpopular of me to fluff this short and concise jam.

i said often, not always, dummy.  both are talented, both sometimes get lost in actual improv (not "practiced improv" lol) and take a long time to find a groove, creating holes in the band's sound.
lol, I was just looking for the opportunity to fluff this piece of "practiced improv". 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: opsopcopolis on November 21, 2013, 01:02:48 PM
I'm kinda bored of funky UM jams. They all seem to go in a very similar direction these days. '07 Funk is where it's at. Much more exploratory and many different directions they go
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on November 21, 2013, 01:05:35 PM
Also, Dr Keefsmoke, this is an Umphreys Mcgee board, but you seem surprised that a lot of Umphreys Mcgee fans over the past decade have developed an appreciation for the band that they used to tour with, are friends with, and just flat out jams more. I am pretty sure you are a noob anyway, so maybe in like 3 or 4 years you will get it. I wrote off the Biscuits early as well, and only seeing them 3 times compared to over 50 for UM from 2006-2009 is one of my biggest regrets.

here's an unpopular opinion about umphrey's: throughout both of their careers, the biscuits have produced more interesting shows/jams than umphrey's has

This guy speaks the truth...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 21, 2013, 01:06:45 PM
joel and stasik often "hold back" so much that it takes away from the band's full sound.
Agreed. A lot of my favorite jams are lead by one of these two.

Also, Dr Keefsmoke, this is an Umphreys Mcgee board, but you seem surprised that a lot of Umphreys Mcgee fans over the past decade have developed an appreciation for the band that they used to tour with, are friends with, and just flat out jams more. I am pretty sure you are a noob anyway, so maybe in like 3 or 4 years you will get it. I wrote off the Biscuits early as well, and only seeing them 3 times compared to over 50 for UM from 2006-2009 is one of my biggest regrets.

Calling people noobs when your first show was in 2006? that's funny.  I'm old enough to be your dad probably.

Dad Keefsmoke vs. Daddy

It's on.

(http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/import/season_08/sp_0805_04_m4.jpg?width=200)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: SleepytimeGorilla on November 21, 2013, 01:36:38 PM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it. Also, I LOVE Morning Song.
Im with you on both.  I dig IC and not just for the jam, always up for it...  Morning Song too

Same here. And the chorus has gotten a lot better in the last couple years since Kris started doing the high harmony. Morning Song is one of my fav UM compositions. I'd love to hear it get opened up again sometime.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 21, 2013, 01:43:43 PM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it. Also, I LOVE Morning Song.
Im with you on both.  I dig IC and not just for the jam, always up for it...  Morning Song too

Same here. And the chorus has gotten a lot better in the last couple years since Kris started doing the high harmony. Morning Song is one of my fav UM compositions. I'd love to hear it get opened up again sometime.

Actually I think the chorus sounded better when Kris did the lower octave
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: SleepytimeGorilla on November 21, 2013, 01:51:06 PM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it. Also, I LOVE Morning Song.
Im with you on both.  I dig IC and not just for the jam, always up for it...  Morning Song too

Same here. And the chorus has gotten a lot better in the last couple years since Kris started doing the high harmony. Morning Song is one of my fav UM compositions. I'd love to hear it get opened up again sometime.

Actually I think the chorus sounded better when Kris did the lower octave

Really? Interesting! Diff'rent strokes to move the world!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 21, 2013, 01:53:30 PM
Intentions Clear really isn't that bad a song. The chorus is a little awkward, yes, but those verses and lyrics are solid. And it always spawns solid, sometimes great jams (see 10/30/13 for the latest example) at shows. I'm always happy to hear it. Also, I LOVE Morning Song.
Im with you on both.  I dig IC and not just for the jam, always up for it...  Morning Song too

Same here. And the chorus has gotten a lot better in the last couple years since Kris started doing the high harmony. Morning Song is one of my fav UM compositions. I'd love to hear it get opened up again sometime.

Actually I think the chorus sounded better when Kris did the lower octave

Really? Interesting! Diff'rent strokes to move the world!

::masturbates diff'rently::
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: bobbyluv on November 22, 2013, 03:37:18 AM
Boy, this thread SHIT THE BED.
Gary and Daddy, you should be ashamed of yourselves
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: SleepytimeGorilla on November 22, 2013, 07:58:14 AM
LOL at anyone thinking Joel is less than stellar. It's been amazing watching his progression through the years. I used to definitely be of the same opinion; that he was just OK. I felt like he would just bang on the keys (usually piano or organ setting) way too much and not really add anything. It seems like he's reigned it in a lot over the years, started using a lot of different settings, more moog, etc. He adds so much amazing texture and definitely has a fantastic (if not the best in the band) ear for improv. And then when he does cut loose, he fucking rips it. My only criticism is that sometimes it seems he gets a little excited and goes off-beat. But it's only really noticeable because everyone else in the band is so rhythmically tight.

I can almost understand peoples' criticism of Stasik, because he is such a pocket player (this has been discussed ad nauseam on here), but I can't even comprehend how someone can watch a UM show and think Joel isn't good.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 22, 2013, 09:02:03 AM
will you read what i typed before throwing LOLs around?  i love joel, i love joel synth jams because they tickle my inner ear and sound different from anyone i've ever heard, probs because they're often supes minimalistic.  he can stretch notes out and twist my brain around with them on the synth.  other tones don't work so well with his minimalistic style... have you heard him try to play the clav?  it's cute.  i honestly can not think of another key player that lays back as much as he does... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: RailroadEarther on November 22, 2013, 09:10:17 AM
This might be an unpopular opinion:   I have come to realize that DBK is by far my least favorite UM song.  set-eater, predictable, way too composed/orchestrated.  yawn. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 22, 2013, 09:16:49 AM
This might be an unpopular opinion:   I have come to realize that DBK is by far my least favorite UM song.  set-eater, predictable, way too composed/orchestrated.  yawn.
Its tied as one of my "most seen" songs.  I love the standard composition and it usually seems to bring improv.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 22, 2013, 09:21:39 AM
This might be an unpopular opinion:   I have come to realize that DBK is by far my least favorite UM song.  set-eater, predictable, way too composed/orchestrated.  yawn.
Its tied as one of my "most seen" songs.  I love the standard composition and it usually seems to bring improv.

I am surprised to see anyone consider DBK one of their "least favorite UM songs." Crazy. I honestly did not think that was possible sort of like how people were going crazy over RobotMode saying he cringes to August. I mean, sure, DBK is very composed and orchestrated but that's the beauty of it. It feels like a complex, almost classical in nature song, where they lead you through multiple movements and themes.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 22, 2013, 09:28:17 AM
This might be an unpopular opinion:   I have come to realize that DBK is by far my least favorite UM song.  set-eater, predictable, way too composed/orchestrated.  yawn.
Its tied as one of my "most seen" songs.  I love the standard composition and it usually seems to bring improv.

I am surprised to see anyone consider DBK one of their "least favorite UM songs." Crazy. I honestly did not think that was possible sort of like how people were going crazy over RobotMode saying he cringes to August. I mean, sure, DBK is very composed and orchestrated but that's the beauty of it. It feels like a complex, almost classical in nature song, where they lead you through multiple movements and themes.

probs because there's been so many 20-30 minute versions that lack interesting improv.  i think i've liked 3 out of the 15 i've seen.  i still like the song, but i see where he's coming from.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: JWelsh on November 22, 2013, 09:33:52 AM
Unpopular opinion: There may be songs in UM's catalog that lack improv that are still appealing to fans.  ;)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 22, 2013, 09:39:09 AM
Unpopular opinion: There may be songs in UM's catalog that lack improv that are still appealing to fans.  ;)

agreed, but i said interesting improv.  i've never heard a dbk without at least 1 jam.  i also agree with RRE that it can sometimes be a set eater if the improv doesn't hit, because it's a long song usually with long jams.  it can be a raging half hour or a 30 minute catnap, hit or miss and stuff, ya feel me mang?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 22, 2013, 09:45:08 AM
Unpopular opinion: There may be songs in UM's catalog that lack improv that are still appealing to fans.  ;)
We are talking about Gulfstream, right?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 22, 2013, 09:48:43 AM
Gulfstream:

(http://curezone.com/upload/Video/Funny/bad_fart_in_shower_do_not_watch.gif)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 22, 2013, 09:50:37 AM
can we start calling gulf stream "shart sneeze"?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 22, 2013, 09:53:07 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: DiabetesCOLE on November 22, 2013, 09:57:10 AM
Also not a huge lover of DBK. Flame away
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 22, 2013, 09:59:20 AM
I think DBK is one of the best UM compositions, top 5 absolutely. But yeah it frustrates me when they kill one (or both) of the improv sections with covers/short originals.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 22, 2013, 09:59:48 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.

All of us are here now, my poo can be your poo too
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on November 22, 2013, 10:08:01 AM
Thread just took a turn for the awesome...getting strange looks from coworkers as I sit here in a fit of uncontrollable laughter.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 22, 2013, 10:14:13 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.

All of us are here now, my poo can be your poo too

all my sneezes are dangerzone, because i just ate spicy food.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: SleepytimeGorilla on November 22, 2013, 10:17:53 AM
will you read what i typed before throwing LOLs around?  i love joel, i love joel synth jams because they tickle my inner ear and sound different from anyone i've ever heard, probs because they're often supes minimalistic.  he can stretch notes out and twist my brain around with them on the synth.  other tones don't work so well with his minimalistic style... have you heard him try to play the clav?  it's cute.  i honestly can not think of another key player that lays back as much as he does... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Actually, I was referring specifically to this:

Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...

I should've quoted it to avoid confusion.

I love threads like these because it really illustrates the wildly different opinions in the UM fanbase.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 22, 2013, 10:19:49 AM
will you read what i typed before throwing LOLs around?  i love joel, i love joel synth jams because they tickle my inner ear and sound different from anyone i've ever heard, probs because they're often supes minimalistic.  he can stretch notes out and twist my brain around with them on the synth.  other tones don't work so well with his minimalistic style... have you heard him try to play the clav?  it's cute.  i honestly can not think of another key player that lays back as much as he does... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Actually, I was referring specifically to this:

Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...

I should've quoted it to avoid confusion.

I love threads like these because it really illustrates the wildly different opinions in the UM fanbase.

sorry that part of the thread is over, we've moved onto coming up with lines for shart sneeze.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 22, 2013, 10:23:07 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.
All of us are here now, my poo can be your poo too
all my sneezes are dangerzone, because i just ate spicy food.
Thanksgiving time is hear again, and that means Aunt Jo's spicy stew.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 22, 2013, 10:26:58 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.
All of us are here now, my poo can be your poo too
all my sneezes are dangerzone, because i just ate spicy food.
Thanksgiving time is hear again, and that means Aunt Jo's spicy stew.
all depends need changing now, they are filled with stinky poo.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 22, 2013, 10:48:11 AM
At least I'm not wearing a Gulf Stream shirt in my fabo pic...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on November 22, 2013, 10:52:37 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.
All of us are here now, my poo can be your poo too
all my sneezes are dangerzone, because i just ate spicy food.
Thanksgiving time is hear again, and that means Aunt Jo's spicy stew.
all depends need changing now, they are filled with stinky poo.
Look to your left, shit on their neck.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: SleepytimeGorilla on November 22, 2013, 11:05:48 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.
All of us are here now, my poo can be your poo too
all my sneezes are dangerzone, because i just ate spicy food.
Thanksgiving time is hear again, and that means Aunt Jo's spicy stew.
all depends need changing now, they are filled with stinky poo.
Look to your left, shit on their neck.
I'll eat some chili and spray you back.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 22, 2013, 11:13:44 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.
All of us are here now, my poo can be your poo too
all my sneezes are dangerzone, because i just ate spicy food.
Thanksgiving time is hear again, and that means Aunt Jo's spicy stew.
all depends need changing now, they are filled with stinky poo.
Look to your left, shit on their neck.
I'll eat some chili and spray you back.
i took some exlax and sneezed to my left
need to go change my underpants
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 22, 2013, 11:17:04 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.
All of us are here now, my poo can be your poo too
all my sneezes are dangerzone, because i just ate spicy food.
Thanksgiving time is hear again, and that means Aunt Jo's spicy stew.
all depends need changing now, they are filled with stinky poo.
Look to your left, shit on their neck.
I'll eat some chili and spray you back.
i took some exlax and sneezed to my left
need to go change my underpants
Theres still some left, please hold your breath
I feel another sneeze coming on
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: SleepytimeGorilla on November 22, 2013, 11:19:53 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.
All of us are here now, my poo can be your poo too
all my sneezes are dangerzone, because i just ate spicy food.
Thanksgiving time is hear again, and that means Aunt Jo's spicy stew.
all depends need changing now, they are filled with stinky poo.
Look to your left, shit on their neck.
I'll eat some chili and spray you back.
i took some exlax and sneezed to my left
need to go change my underpants
Theres still some left, please hold your breath
I feel another sneeze coming on

I've got AIDS, ate Indian. You know what I'm gonnnnnna dooooo
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on November 22, 2013, 11:24:58 AM
All my friends are standing directly behind me now, and that is why I have to poo.
All of us are here now, my poo can be your poo too
all my sneezes are dangerzone, because i just ate spicy food.
Thanksgiving time is hear again, and that means Aunt Jo's spicy stew.
all depends need changing now, they are filled with stinky poo.
Look to your left, shit on their neck.
I'll eat some chili and spray you back.
i took some exlax and sneezed to my left
need to go change my underpants
Theres still some left, please hold your breath
I feel another sneeze coming on

I've got AIDS, ate Indian. You know what I'm gonnnnnna dooooo
intestines feel empty now, where'd you get that browwwwn shampoo?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: WOLFpacker16 on November 26, 2013, 10:08:40 PM
I gotta say.... I love their cover of I Ran. Haven't seen it yet but I definitely wouldn't mind
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on November 26, 2013, 10:59:37 PM
I gotta say.... I love their cover of I Ran. Haven't seen it yet but I definitely wouldn't mind

True...I wouldn't mind catching a cover of I Ran, either.  It's one of their better covers.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: womenwineandpoly on November 27, 2013, 08:23:57 AM
I think it would be cool to see Kris and Andy do a 7-10 drum sesh each night.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 27, 2013, 10:27:39 AM
I think it would be cool to see Kris and Andy do a 7-10 drum sesh each night.

If it's anything like the 5/23/08 Divisions solo I'd be down.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on November 27, 2013, 10:47:55 AM
I think it would be cool to see Kris and Andy do a 7-10 drum sesh each night.

If it's anything like the 5/23/08 Divisions solo I'd be down.

If i could go back in time and relive one night of music, this would be it
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: boarder1720 on November 29, 2013, 11:59:26 AM
Ocean Billy is slow, boring, repetitive and without improv is just a waste of time.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on November 29, 2013, 12:25:01 PM
I don't think 2/21/07 is all that and the bag of chips that it's fluffed to be.  There are several better shows from '07.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on November 29, 2013, 12:45:09 PM
I don't think 2/21/07 is all that and the bag of chips that it's fluffed to be.  There are several better shows from '07.

Which shows do you prefer? Not totally disagreeing with you, but that is top-notch Umphrey's McGee. That show just has a unique feel throughout, it's so loose and psychedelic but absolutely relentless. I much prefer it to one of the other major-fluffed shows of 2007: 7/19/07.

Edit: personally I think 3/22 is the best show of 2007, but I'll be the first to admit I fluff the hell out of that one, and will fluff it for life.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on November 29, 2013, 01:00:43 PM
I don't think 2/21/07 is all that and the bag of chips that it's fluffed to be.  There are several better shows from '07.

Which shows do you prefer? Not totally disagreeing with you, but that is top-notch Umphrey's McGee. That show just has a unique feel throughout, it's so loose and psychedelic but absolutely relentless. I much prefer it to one of the other major-fluffed shows of 2007: 7/19/07.

Edit: personally I think 3/22 is the best show of 2007, but I'll be the first to admit I fluff the hell out of that one, and will fluff it for life.

As far as '07 shows go, I love 6/7 Portland, 6/8 Truckee, 2/23 Chucktown, 3/22 Madison, 7/26 Baltimore.

I won't knock anybody who's into the 2/21 show, but it's not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on November 29, 2013, 01:12:42 PM
I don't think 2/21/07 is all that and the bag of chips that it's fluffed to be.  There are several better shows from '07.

Which shows do you prefer? Not totally disagreeing with you, but that is top-notch Umphrey's McGee. That show just has a unique feel throughout, it's so loose and psychedelic but absolutely relentless. I much prefer it to one of the other major-fluffed shows of 2007: 7/19/07.

Edit: personally I think 3/22 is the best show of 2007, but I'll be the first to admit I fluff the hell out of that one, and will fluff it for life.

As far as '07 shows go, I love 6/7 Portland, 6/8 Truckee, 2/23 Chucktown, 3/22 Madison, 7/26 Baltimore.

I won't knock anybody who's into the 2/21 show, but it's not my cup of tea.

Interesting. I would definitely agree with 7/26 as that is a balls to the wall rawk show. 6/7 and 6/8 don't feel like complete shows like 2/21 IMO. If you put 6/7's 1st set with 6/8's 2nd set it would probably be the best UM show ever, but as a whole each show has one set that is far superior to the other set.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on November 29, 2013, 01:55:41 PM
6/7 and 6/8 don't feel like complete shows like 2/21 IMO. If you put 6/7's 1st set with 6/8's 2nd set it would probably be the best UM show ever, but as a whole each show has one set that is far superior to the other set.

This guy gets it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on November 29, 2013, 04:37:13 PM
Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...
technically speaking i agree, though he has a better ear/notion of theory than most do
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you guys haven't seen Joel with Bill Evans, Everyone Orchestra, or in a jazz setting? Joel holds back more in UM than Stasik does.

Agreed.  Joel is insanely good.  Just because he isn't diddling around on the clavi or forcefeed you unnecessary organ washes for the whole fucking show like many other "jam" keys guys doesn't mean he isn't "good."  It just means he plays a different style than you're used to.
LOL at all this, Joel rules. Joel led jams are the best and Joel setlists are funtastic. Stasik still sucks, and he knows his role: to be mediocre. IDGAF what any of you say he is a boring tepid bass player . . . . . but he finally played with some balls fall ter and the band excelled as a result. What a crazy notion.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on November 29, 2013, 04:42:12 PM
Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...
technically speaking i agree, though he has a better ear/notion of theory than most do
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you guys haven't seen Joel with Bill Evans, Everyone Orchestra, or in a jazz setting? Joel holds back more in UM than Stasik does.

Agreed.  Joel is insanely good.  Just because he isn't diddling around on the clavi or forcefeed you unnecessary organ washes for the whole fucking show like many other "jam" keys guys doesn't mean he isn't "good."  It just means he plays a different style than you're used to.
LOL at all this, Joel rules. Joel led jams are the best and Joel setlists are funtastic. Stasik still sucks, and he knows his role: to be mediocre. IDGAF what any of you say he is a boring tepid bass player . . . . . but he finally played with some balls fall ter and the band excelled as a result. What a crazy notion.

New thread: Joel, Andy, and Stasik all suck. And Bayliss sometimes.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on November 29, 2013, 04:53:24 PM
New thread: Joel, Andy, and Stasik all suck. And Bayliss sometimes.

The whole band sucks...get with the program, Ty!  ;D
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on November 29, 2013, 04:58:37 PM
Joel crushes, shits getting wacky in here.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on November 29, 2013, 05:03:18 PM
Joel crushes, shits getting wacky in here.

I think there's some post-Thanksgiving  :rasta: :wine: :bong:  going on today
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on November 29, 2013, 10:51:12 PM
Joel crushes, shits getting wacky in here.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on November 30, 2013, 03:25:07 PM
Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...
technically speaking i agree, though he has a better ear/notion of theory than most do
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you guys haven't seen Joel with Bill Evans, Everyone Orchestra, or in a jazz setting? Joel holds back more in UM than Stasik does.

Agreed.  Joel is insanely good.  Just because he isn't diddling around on the clavi or forcefeed you unnecessary organ washes for the whole fucking show like many other "jam" keys guys doesn't mean he isn't "good."  It just means he plays a different style than you're used to.
LOL at all this, Joel rules. Joel led jams are the best and Joel setlists are funtastic. Stasik still sucks, and he knows his role: to be mediocre. IDGAF what any of you say he is a boring tepid bass player . . . . . but he finally played with some balls fall ter and the band excelled as a result. What a crazy notion.

I originally said that to get a rise, but I do think its a half-truth. I LIKE that he lays back, I think he plays tastefully. But when it comes time for him to rip, he just doesn't do it for me like the BB or Jake. Having said that, he's far less annoying than some other keys players on the scene.  Some of my fave yams are when he leads it- they should give him space to take the lead in the beginning more often. I think his setlists are always ...interesting. They might not always work but I appreciate the variety and effort to be different. On the other hand,

Stasik setlists suck more often than not.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: dammitdan on November 30, 2013, 04:09:16 PM
Joel just isn't that good.  He is completely outshone by the other band members as a musician.  Commence "Stasik doesn't go off bc he knows his role in the band" debate...
technically speaking i agree, though he has a better ear/notion of theory than most do
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you guys haven't seen Joel with Bill Evans, Everyone Orchestra, or in a jazz setting? Joel holds back more in UM than Stasik does.

Agreed.  Joel is insanely good.  Just because he isn't diddling around on the clavi or forcefeed you unnecessary organ washes for the whole fucking show like many other "jam" keys guys doesn't mean he isn't "good."  It just means he plays a different style than you're used to.
LOL at all this, Joel rules. Joel led jams are the best and Joel setlists are funtastic. Stasik still sucks, and he knows his role: to be mediocre. IDGAF what any of you say he is a boring tepid bass player . . . . . but he finally played with some balls fall ter and the band excelled as a result. What a crazy notion.

I originally said that to get a rise, but I do think its a half-truth. I LIKE that he lays back, I think he plays tastefully. But when it comes time for him to rip, he just doesn't do it for me like the BB or Jake. Having said that, he's far less annoying than some other keys players on the scene.  Some of my fave yams are when he leads it- they should give him space to take the lead in the beginning more often. I think his setlists are always ...interesting. They might not always work but I appreciate the variety and effort to be different. On the other hand,

Stasik setlists suck more often than not.

I like it more when Joel plays piano in a song/jam vs clav/synth/whatever else.   
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: thelastrewind on November 30, 2013, 10:07:17 PM
Re: Joel; I think the Rhodes is WAY overused in songs and jams, especially as it becomes completely inaudible in the mix for the most part.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Knucklehead on December 01, 2013, 09:32:08 AM
I can't stand the apostrophe in the band name.  I always take a piss break and grab a beer when I think about that apostrophe. Its their worst song
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on December 01, 2013, 10:05:54 AM
I can't stand the apostrophe in the band name.  I always take a piss break and grab a beer when I think about that apostrophe. Its their worst song

But it's the crux of the biscuit brah
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: timmy tucker on December 01, 2013, 02:45:27 PM
I can't stand the apostrophe in the band name.  I always take a piss break and grab a beer when I think about that apostrophe. Its their worst song

why? mcgee belongs to umphrey.  it's not a hard concept. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on December 01, 2013, 09:31:23 PM
Umphreys isn't the end all be all of music, or of concerts. Is it awesome, fun and memorable, absolutely. But there is so much more out there. Broaden your horizons.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: mball2 on December 02, 2013, 08:25:53 AM
Umphreys isn't the end all be all of music, or of concerts. Is it awesome, fun and memorable, absolutely. But there is so much more out there. Broaden your horizons.
In the Rock Realm (bass,drums,guitars and keys) I've got to respectively disagree, I haven't seen any better, ever, and I've been around a while.  If we are talking about the entire spectrum of live music then I've got to agree, that they (UM) are awesome but not unrivaled.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: dream_focused on December 02, 2013, 09:06:06 AM
idk if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but i am not a fan of the majority of the new harmonies that kris is singing these days. to me they take away from the melody too much, and kris often pushes his voice out of key (or it just sounds strained because he's reaching for these high notes). i will note in particular the chorus of intentions clear and the end of nemo as examples but i know there's more.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 02, 2013, 10:43:50 AM
idk if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but i am not a fan of the majority of the new harmonies that kris is singing these days. to me they take away from the melody too much, and kris often pushes his voice out of key (or it just sounds strained because he's reaching for these high notes). i will note in particular the chorus of intentions clear and the end of nemo as examples but i know there's more.

IC hasn't always been his strong suite IMO
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on December 02, 2013, 04:02:32 PM
Umphreys isn't the end all be all of music, or of concerts. Is it awesome, fun and memorable, absolutely. But there is so much more out there. Broaden your horizons.
In the Rock Realm (bass,drums,guitars and keys) I've got to respectively disagree, I haven't seen any better, ever, and I've been around a while. 

I can't argue that point.  I consider UM to be my greatest music discovery since I first discovered Metallica in 1985.  In the realm of rock music, there is no better live act in the present than UM, IMO.  I'll be the first to admit that I'm not exactly a huge fan of UM's studio albums, though, although AD is my favorite one.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: womenwineandpoly on December 02, 2013, 04:07:44 PM
Umphreys isn't the end all be all of music, or of concerts. Is it awesome, fun and memorable, absolutely. But there is so much more out there. Broaden your horizons.
In the Rock Realm (bass,drums,guitars and keys) I've got to respectively disagree, I haven't seen any better, ever, and I've been around a while. 

I can't argue that point.  I consider UM to be my greatest music discovery since I first discovered Metallica in 1985.  In the realm of rock music, there is no better live act in the present than UM, IMO.  I'll be the first to admit that I'm not exactly a huge fan of UM's studio albums, though, although AD is my favorite one.
You guys need to listen to more RUSH.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on December 02, 2013, 04:09:43 PM
Umphreys isn't the end all be all of music, or of concerts. Is it awesome, fun and memorable, absolutely. But there is so much more out there. Broaden your horizons.
In the Rock Realm (bass,drums,guitars and keys) I've got to respectively disagree, I haven't seen any better, ever, and I've been around a while. 

I can't argue that point.  I consider UM to be my greatest music discovery since I first discovered Metallica in 1985.  In the realm of rock music, there is no better live act in the present than UM, IMO.  I'll be the first to admit that I'm not exactly a huge fan of UM's studio albums, though, although AD is my favorite one.
You guys need to listen to more RUSH.

I quit listening to their studio stuff after Counterparts...they kinda lost me after that album.  2112, A Farewell To Kings, Moving Pictures, Signals and Grace Under Pressure FTW.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on December 02, 2013, 04:11:01 PM
idk if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but i am not a fan of the majority of the new harmonies that kris is singing these days. to me they take away from the melody too much, and kris often pushes his voice out of key (or it just sounds strained because he's reaching for these high notes). i will note in particular the chorus of intentions clear and the end of nemo as examples but i know there's more.

A non-borter and I were talking about this a few weeks ago. I think it achieves varying success depending on the song. The worst one for me is Deeper because he always sings the major 3rd instead of the minor 3rd.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: womenwineandpoly on December 02, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
Umphreys isn't the end all be all of music, or of concerts. Is it awesome, fun and memorable, absolutely. But there is so much more out there. Broaden your horizons.
In the Rock Realm (bass,drums,guitars and keys) I've got to respectively disagree, I haven't seen any better, ever, and I've been around a while. 

I can't argue that point.  I consider UM to be my greatest music discovery since I first discovered Metallica in 1985.  In the realm of rock music, there is no better live act in the present than UM, IMO.  I'll be the first to admit that I'm not exactly a huge fan of UM's studio albums, though, although AD is my favorite one.
You guys need to listen to more RUSH.

I quit listening to their studio stuff after Counterparts...they kinda lost me after that album.  2112, A Farewell To Kings, Moving Pictures, Signals and Grace Under Pressure FTW.
I don't know Mike, I think you need to listen to Vapor Trails.  One of their better, newer albums.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on December 02, 2013, 04:23:33 PM
I don't know Mike, I think you need to listen to Vapor Trails.  One of their better, newer albums.

I heard that it was a great album with god-awful production.  I heard that it was recently remastered, though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: HelenKellerwilliams on December 03, 2013, 01:09:22 AM
Picking up on things from this thread:

- If you don't like Anchor Drops (the song) you need to re-adjust your world view. If you don't like Anchor Drops (the album) you probably also clip your fingernails on the bus.

- Jake does get too jakey. You don't gotta make those damn wonky guitar noises in between verses all the time.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: SleepytimeGorilla on December 03, 2013, 08:42:36 AM
I don't know Mike, I think you need to listen to Vapor Trails.  One of their better, newer albums.

I heard that it was a great album with god-awful production.  I heard that it was recently remastered, though.

"Snakes & Arrows" and "Clockwork Angels" are the last two albums, and they're both amazing. A metal fan such as yourself should definitely give them a listen; they actually get pretty heavy (for Rush).
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: subliminal_mess on December 03, 2013, 09:18:22 AM
Umphreys isn't the end all be all of music, or of concerts. Is it awesome, fun and memorable, absolutely. But there is so much more out there. Broaden your horizons.
I saw Foals the same week as UM RR. They ruined my ears for UM that weekend.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: subliminal_mess on December 03, 2013, 09:31:05 AM
Umphreys isn't the end all be all of music, or of concerts. Is it awesome, fun and memorable, absolutely. But there is so much more out there. Broaden your horizons.
I saw Foals the same week as UM RR. They ruined my ears for UM that weekend.

LOL lets not go that far. I love Foals, but c'mon brah.
LOL, it's not going very far. I love UM, but the show I saw that Tuesday was superior to anything I saw that Friday/Saturday.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on December 03, 2013, 09:48:28 AM
Umphreys isn't the end all be all of music, or of concerts. Is it awesome, fun and memorable, absolutely. But there is so much more out there. Broaden your horizons.
I saw Foals the same week as UM RR. They ruined my ears for UM that weekend.

LOL lets not go that far. I love Foals, but c'mon brah.
LOL, it's not going very far. I love UM, but the show I saw that Tuesday was superior to anything I saw that Friday/Saturday.

why you going so far, mang?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: subliminal_mess on December 03, 2013, 02:03:14 PM
A Foals/UM co-bill at RR next year would tug at my heart strings
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 04, 2013, 09:59:25 AM
idk if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but i am not a fan of the majority of the new harmonies that kris is singing these days. to me they take away from the melody too much, and kris often pushes his voice out of key (or it just sounds strained because he's reaching for these high notes). i will note in particular the chorus of intentions clear and the end of nemo as examples but i know there's more.

IC hasn't always been his strong suite IMO

Listening to 03/09/2013 last night and, along with IC, two more that really stand out are Room To Breathe and Through The Cracks
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: DiabetesCOLE on December 04, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
idk if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but i am not a fan of the majority of the new harmonies that kris is singing these days. to me they take away from the melody too much, and kris often pushes his voice out of key (or it just sounds strained because he's reaching for these high notes). i will note in particular the chorus of intentions clear and the end of nemo as examples but i know there's more.

IC hasn't always been his strong suite IMO

Listening to 03/09/2013 last night and, along with IC, two more that really stand out are Room To Breathe and Through The Cracks

Half the time when Kris tries to hit those high notes he just screeches and ruins the moment for me. Ex: How many more times in that division from Madison last year.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on December 04, 2013, 08:37:51 PM
^^Agreed, I feel like Joel does the same thing sometimes too.^^
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 04, 2013, 08:54:34 PM
^^Agreed, I feel like Joel does the same thing sometimes too.^^

Cemetery Walk comes to mind for somewhat harsh Joel harmonies
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: WoopieCushion on December 05, 2013, 02:36:24 AM
mantis reverse boofs whatever drugs i'm on. #shardshartz

don't really have any unpopular opinions to throw out at the moment except THIS^! def on board with the Mantis hate, and i pretty much sharted when i read this
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: timmy tucker on December 05, 2013, 11:20:59 AM
Horns suck with UMs sound.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: JWelsh on December 05, 2013, 11:38:31 AM
Horns suck with UMs sound.

You are always so positive.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jachapman on December 05, 2013, 11:39:20 AM
well... he is a moe fan, so I guess he's used to being let down.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on December 05, 2013, 11:57:53 AM
well... he is a moe fan, so I guess he's used to being let down.

LOLMOE.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on December 05, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
Horns suck with UMs sound.
Truly an unpopular opinion, good thing we are talking about opinions.  Please cite some examples of UM sucking with horns because I can think of multiple studio recordings that do NOT suck with horns.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 05, 2013, 12:20:13 PM
There really isn't any music I can think of that would be affected negatively by horns, and UM is no exception IMO.  Horns are so versatile from instrument to instrument, and each specific horn/woodwind can be extremely versatile in it's self.

I'm horny
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: timmy tucker on December 05, 2013, 06:40:45 PM
Studio I don't mind them, by pretty much any nye, I never cared for the horns. They feel tacked on..... Forced if you will.

I mean to be honest, I usually don't like um with any sit ins/guests.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: sullivpd on December 05, 2013, 06:41:30 PM
Horns suck with UMs sound.
Truly an unpopular opinion, good thing we are talking about opinions.  Please cite some examples of UM sucking with horns because I can think of multiple studio recordings that do NOT suck with horns.

Was listening to Wappy from NYE (2008?) the other day.  Horns did not fit in the jam.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 05, 2013, 06:56:10 PM
Anyone know of a SJ with horns off the top of their head?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: dtbar1 on December 05, 2013, 06:57:11 PM
Studio I don't mind them, by pretty much any nye, I never cared for the horns. They feel tacked on..... Forced if you will.

I mean to be honest, I usually don't like um with any sit ins/guests.

Agreed. Same with Scamp this past year... way too many horns. I used to really like when there was a horn section playing with UM, but I've seen it enough times now that I'd rather just see UM by themselves. I dont mind the occasional horn sit-in, and I am definitely excited to see joshua redman for the first time, but i could do without mad-dogs. I think they can make the composed sections of songs sound really great, but when it comes to the yams... I just want to hear UM do their thing.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: thesixgun on December 05, 2013, 07:00:15 PM
I love when Bill Evans or Jeff Coffin sits in, but a lot of the time, the horn players they get don't seem up to par with UM's musicianship. Mad dogs filthy little secret always seems a little rough around the edges to me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: sullivpd on December 05, 2013, 07:06:55 PM
I love when Bill Evans or Jeff Coffin sits in, but a lot of the time, the horn players they get don't seem up to par with UM's musicianship. Mad dogs filthy little secret always seems a little rough around the edges to me.
Completely agree.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on December 05, 2013, 10:30:52 PM
Horns suck with UMs sound.
Truly an unpopular opinion, good thing we are talking about opinions.  Please cite some examples of UM sucking with horns because I can think of multiple studio recordings that do NOT suck with horns.

Was listening to Wappy from NYE (2008?) the other day.  Horns did not fit in the jam.
Thanks, I was referring to tracks that were recorded in the studio with horns.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: alexankh on December 06, 2013, 09:21:54 AM
i dont like the studio take on higgins, mostly because of the "lazy" horn intro
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 06, 2013, 09:39:17 AM
i dont like the studio take on higgins, mostly because of the "lazy" horn intro

Didn't Coffin play on Higgins studio track? If so... you're on my naughty list ;)

edit: Regardless, I don't consider it "lazy". I think it is tasteful
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on December 06, 2013, 09:44:10 AM
coffin sitins = ew
redman sitins = yum

yes there are exceptions, but most coffin sitins i've seen add nothing but weird toots, squeaks, and a party vibe.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on December 06, 2013, 09:53:27 AM
and a party vibe.
sounds boring
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Burt Herdbath on December 06, 2013, 09:57:05 AM
and a party vibe.
sounds boring

my name is burt, and i like to party.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 06, 2013, 10:22:53 AM
and a party vibe.
sounds boring

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on December 06, 2013, 11:54:21 PM
I can't think of many lyrical stew that I like. To my ears it usually just ruins a good jam. The only exception I can think of is the stew that hourglass came from.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on December 07, 2013, 01:43:07 AM
Andy's Last Beer is awesome and underrated, I see the light now
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: dubz on December 07, 2013, 03:38:27 AM
Andy's Last Beer is awesome and underrated, I see the light now

ALB is my favorite track in circulation. Brings the darkness and effervescent jam; me and my crew love it.  Wrecks your shit in so many great ways.  God love Andy Farag.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on December 07, 2013, 06:08:21 AM
Andy's Last Beer is awesome and underrated, I see the light now

I feel that most people really enjoy ALB.  I don't and when I tell people they look at me funny.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: timmy tucker on December 07, 2013, 07:45:18 AM
Andy's Last Beer is awesome and underrated, I see the light now

I feel that most people really enjoy ALB.  I don't and when I tell people they look at me funny.

As they should its such a cool tune
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: thesixgun on December 07, 2013, 03:48:02 PM
i think bayliss should take improv 101 class at the UCB theater.  It would help with his lyrical stew game. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: iamkickinit on December 07, 2013, 03:53:15 PM
While I think the idea of lyrical stews is cool. 9/10 times I cant stand them and feel like the jam would be better off w/out.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on December 07, 2013, 05:33:36 PM
While I think the idea of lyrical stews is cool. 9/10 times I cant stand them and feel like the jam would be better off w/out.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: dylanrush on December 07, 2013, 11:38:34 PM
While I think the idea of lyrical stews is cool. 9/10 times I cant stand them and feel like the jam would be better off w/out.

Just think of them as songs?  I actually really enjoy them for what they are.  And yeah, they aren't "true" improv because they're written, but they do spice them up usually.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: dylanrush on December 07, 2013, 11:41:14 PM
Here's my unpopular opinion: I actually like 2013 UM the best.  I think their technique and cohesion as a band is constantly peaking and outshines any other band, and that's why I enjoy listening to them.  It's psychedelic how good they are and they're always getting better.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Agent Mulder on December 10, 2013, 12:39:33 PM
Night Nurse is alright, just alright. Around the bort it gets more fluff than my dog. Unless it is placed well in a set, preferably in a Sammie, Id rather not see it. Standalone Night nurse. No thanks. Night nurse? No Ill pass
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: aregan3343 on December 10, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
i dont like the studio take on higgins, mostly because of the "lazy" horn intro

congrats kyle!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Bron Yr Aur on December 10, 2013, 01:30:59 PM
Here's my unpopular opinion: I actually like 2013 UM the best.  I think their technique and cohesion as a band is constantly peaking and outshines any other band, and that's why I enjoy listening to them.  It's psychedelic how good they are and they're always getting better.

Fall tour 13 was just about as good as UM gets. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: {2.0} Spazbird on December 10, 2013, 01:48:06 PM
i refuse to listen to them outside of the live setting. i've burnt myself out at this point, and can only get enjoyment in the moment. just doesnt do it for me. as a whole, i'm just over the whole seeing a ton of the same band. other fish in the sea'd.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 10, 2013, 02:24:06 PM
i refuse to listen to them outside of the live setting. i've burnt myself out at this point, and can only get enjoyment in the moment. just doesnt do it for me. as a whole, i'm just over the whole seeing a ton of the same band. other fish in the sea'd.

yeah okay spaz
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: {2.0} Spazbird on December 10, 2013, 04:11:31 PM
i refuse to listen to them outside of the live setting. i've burnt myself out at this point, and can only get enjoyment in the moment. just doesnt do it for me. as a whole, i'm just over the whole seeing a ton of the same band. other fish in the sea'd.

yeah okay spaz

you're right, it is ok. the combination of friends, beer, lights, and the atmosphere of an UM show is something i dont get on my couch while doing HW. i still love the band, but thats my unpopular opinion.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 10, 2013, 04:28:12 PM
i refuse to listen to them outside of the live setting. i've burnt myself out at this point, and can only get enjoyment in the moment. just doesnt do it for me. as a whole, i'm just over the whole seeing a ton of the same band. other fish in the sea'd.

yeah okay spaz

you're right, it is ok. the combination of friends, beer, lights, and the atmosphere of an UM show is something i dont get on my couch while doing HW. i still love the band, but thats my unpopular opinion.

haha i was just joking... where you are is one of my fears
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on December 10, 2013, 04:53:34 PM
I don't understand the Room To Breathe hate...especially by anyone who loves the RAWK side of UM.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Random Ass on December 10, 2013, 04:57:21 PM
i dont like the studio take on higgins, mostly because of the "lazy" horn intro

I'm fine with the intro on the studio recording, but the outro sucks.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: RailroadEarther on December 10, 2013, 05:04:24 PM
I don't understand the Room To Breathe hate...especially by anyone who loves the RAWK side of UM.

Vocals are just kinda lame, dunno. Weird song.

Comma Later is probably my favorite new joint.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on December 10, 2013, 05:06:10 PM
I don't understand the Room To Breathe hate...especially by anyone who loves the RAWK side of UM.

Vocals are just kinda lame, dunno. Weird song.

Comma Later is probably my favorite new joint.

I'll concede on the vocals - they can get a bit awkward, but musically, it's solid.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: RailroadEarther on December 10, 2013, 05:24:01 PM
I don't understand the Room To Breathe hate...especially by anyone who loves the RAWK side of UM.

Vocals are just kinda lame, dunno. Weird song.

Comma Later is probably my favorite new joint.

I'll concede on the vocals - they can get a bit awkward, but musically, it's solid.

I'll concede "musically" it does kinda rock....still a set-killer though, imo.

Never seen it live though. Maybe they will throw-down a crushing RtB over the NYE run and I'll change my opinion.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 10, 2013, 05:42:24 PM
I don't understand the Room To Breathe hate...especially by anyone who loves the RAWK side of UM.

Vocals are just kinda lame, dunno. Weird song.

Comma Later is probably my favorite new joint.

I'll concede on the vocals - they can get a bit awkward, but musically, it's solid.

I'll concede "musically" it does kinda rock....still a set-killer though, imo.

Never seen it live though. Maybe they will throw-down a crushing RtB over the NYE run and I'll change my opinion.

I've seen it a few times.. It's never killed a set for me, but it seems too pieced together (and not in UM's standard, fluid way. )
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on December 10, 2013, 07:39:14 PM
I don't understand the Room To Breathe hate...especially by anyone who loves the RAWK side of UM.

Vocals are just kinda lame, dunno. Weird song.

Comma Later is probably my favorite new joint.

I'll concede on the vocals - they can get a bit awkward, but musically, it's solid.

I'll concede "musically" it does kinda rock....still a set-killer though, imo.

Never seen it live though. Maybe they will throw-down a crushing RtB over the NYE run and I'll change my opinion.

I've caught RtB.  Good rock song, with shaky vocals in places.  Not a set killer for me, personallly.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: subliminal_mess on December 11, 2013, 01:43:01 PM
Comma Later is probably my favorite new joint.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: dammitdan on December 11, 2013, 06:37:39 PM
Comma Later is probably my favorite new joint.

I also dig Comma Later.  Can't call it my favorite, my mood seems to change the type of song I like from week to week.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: timmy tucker on December 11, 2013, 09:22:35 PM
I like comma later too, and all of skypaper
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: NJH973 on December 15, 2013, 11:07:36 PM
While I think the idea of lyrical stews is cool. 9/10 times I cant stand them and feel like the jam would be better off w/out.

I agree with this but when they hit on that 1/10 it's pretty awesome
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: solvethebox on January 01, 2014, 10:42:19 AM
I wish they would move out of the 80's with respect to their song writing and more often than not their cover selections.  I could go for some early 70's prog.  At first I thought it was a phase but the phase is getting longer... I hope the new album goes a different direction.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Kev347 on January 01, 2014, 11:53:38 AM
I hear you on the 80's covers. They seemed to have said already that the songwriting has shifted though. Bad Friday didn't make the album because it's too dancey and they said it's a hard rocking, proggy album (with some longer songs). Can't wait to hear!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: FDR on January 01, 2014, 12:11:13 PM
I dig Bad Friday, much better than Comma Later.  :thumbsup: I do hope this is a cohesive rock album - though it would be killer to release the more danceable songs as a collection at some point, maybe with horns.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: solvethebox on January 01, 2014, 12:39:51 PM
I hear you on the 80's covers. They seemed to have said already that the songwriting has shifted though. Bad Friday didn't make the album because it's too dancey and they said it's a hard rocking, proggy album (with some longer songs). Can't wait to hear!

Yeah I was hoping that they played Bad Friday because it didn't fit with the rest of the album.  As always, it has the potential to grow on me but I was disappointed with it last night.  Oh well, I still had a great time streaming.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Cworty06 on January 01, 2014, 01:32:49 PM
I'd rather see Haji at a show than Wizard
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on January 01, 2014, 01:54:56 PM
I'd rather see Haji at a show than Wizard
I'd rather see neither.  Wizard is always standard and eats up 10 minutes. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on January 01, 2014, 09:07:25 PM
I dig Bad Friday, much better than Comma Later.  :thumbsup: I do hope this is a cohesive rock album - though it would be killer to release the more danceable songs as a collection at some point, maybe with horns.

Agreed. I can't even place Coma (snooze fest) Later in the same ballpark as Bad Friday.. and Bad Friday is likely to further progress into even doper shit
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on January 21, 2014, 11:48:06 PM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on January 21, 2014, 11:50:45 PM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on January 21, 2014, 11:51:12 PM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.

I hope we don't get it in Seattle or Portland.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: BootyWaxxxer on January 21, 2014, 11:54:38 PM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.

Gotta say, I've only seen it once, by I completely agree. Don't really get what all the hype is about
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on January 22, 2014, 12:02:46 AM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cryan024 on January 22, 2014, 12:09:57 AM
I gotta agree with everyone else.  No Diablo isn't a bad tune by any means, but I have never understood the hype and think it is a huge momentum killer in just about any set it pops up in.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: wiscomptonslacker on January 22, 2014, 12:37:01 AM
I gotta agree with everyone else.  No Diablo isn't a bad tune by any means, but I have never understood the hype and think it is a huge momentum killer in just about any set it pops up in.

Agreed - but I have to admit, I find it being stuck in my head quite a bit
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on January 22, 2014, 12:43:36 AM
I think it's a fine song. It just has no place in UM's live sets.

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: JWelsh on January 22, 2014, 08:55:45 AM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.

Blah blah. I think it is a great pop song that provides a well-played breather. Perfect placement at the Beacon.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Clownshoes on January 22, 2014, 08:57:01 AM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.

Blah blah. I think it is a great pop song that provides a well-played breather. Perfect placement at the Beacon.

The NYE version with the horns gave it real "down home" feel. Reminded me of The Band.


Fan. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AvocadoRivalry on January 22, 2014, 09:03:56 AM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.

Blah blah. I think it is a great pop song that provides a well-played breather. Perfect placement at the Beacon.

I think I'd rather see No Diablo serve this type of role than a lot of the covers in UM's catalog that serve a similar purpose.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: WOLFpacker16 on January 22, 2014, 09:07:49 AM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.

Blah blah. I think it is a great pop song that provides a well-played breather. Perfect placement at the Beacon.

The NYE version with the horns gave it real "down home" feel. Reminded me of The Band.


Fan.

I really liked it with horns too.  That being said, I don't think I'd love hearing it at a show.  Well okay... maybe once or twice.  I do think it works okay in the middle of a set if it is preceded and followed by the right stuff.  I can think of other standalones I'd probably dislike more as a breather song.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on January 22, 2014, 09:20:51 AM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.

Blah blah. I think it is a great pop song that provides a well-played breather. Perfect placement at the Beacon.

The NYE version with the horns gave it real "down home" feel. Reminded me of The Band.


Fan.

+1
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on January 22, 2014, 09:28:24 AM
Didn't realize there was hype surrounding No Diablo. It's a good song with some very solid lyrical work from Baylor that's not all a cryfest. Does it really fit within UMs sound? Not exactly. But is it much different in terms of how much it sticks out than a song like Nemo? Not really. Sure, it doesn't fit best within a raging set or whatever but it's a good tune. It can certainly kill momentum like a Susanah used to in 2011....
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on January 22, 2014, 09:30:08 AM
No DiaBLOWS
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Bron Yr Aur on January 22, 2014, 09:45:44 AM
I like No Diablo but it needs to be played very early in a first set to "work."
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Random Ass on January 22, 2014, 09:46:58 AM
Didn't realize there was hype surrounding No Diablo. It's a good song with some very solid lyrical work from Baylor that's not all a cryfest. Does it really fit within UMs sound? Not exactly. But is it much different in terms of how much it sticks out than a song like Nemo? Not really. Sure, it doesn't fit best within a raging set or whatever but it's a good tune. It can certainly kill momentum like a Susanah used to in 2011....

I was about to say the same thing regarding Nemo.  Very comparable and I don't see No Diablo as any more of a flow disruptor than it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on January 22, 2014, 10:32:21 AM
I like No Diablo but it needs to be played very early in a first set to "work."
Kind of like a couple times I have seen UM start the show with Alex's House, where it worked very well to ease into the music.  The was before the prerecorded intro stuff, though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on January 22, 2014, 11:28:49 AM
Didn't realize there was hype surrounding No Diablo. It's a good song with some very solid lyrical work from Baylor that's not all a cryfest. Does it really fit within UMs sound? Not exactly. But is it much different in terms of how much it sticks out than a song like Nemo? Not really. Sure, it doesn't fit best within a raging set or whatever but it's a good tune. It can certainly kill momentum like a Susanah used to in 2011....

I was about to say the same thing regarding Nemo.  Very comparable and I don't see No Diablo as any more of a flow disruptor than it.

The only difference being that when Nemo starts up, you know there is a very strong chance of improv occuring in the pause of the song.   I'm not the biggest fan of Nemo either, but knowing that some of my favorite jams have come from Nemo, I'm never disappointed when it starts at a show I'm attending.  No Diablo can be a total momentum killer for me personally, but I don't hate the song.  It just feels like the ugly duckling in a set a lot of the time, totally out of place.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: RailroadEarther on January 22, 2014, 11:30:44 AM
I thought No Diablo worked pretty well in this set from Milwaukee.

Set 1: Plunger > Much Obliged > Plunger, Higgins > Sweetness[1] > Comma Later, No Diablo, 40's Theme[2] > The Bed's Too Big Without You[3] > 40's Theme

song is good but not mind-blowing or anything.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Random Ass on January 22, 2014, 11:36:16 AM
Didn't realize there was hype surrounding No Diablo. It's a good song with some very solid lyrical work from Baylor that's not all a cryfest. Does it really fit within UMs sound? Not exactly. But is it much different in terms of how much it sticks out than a song like Nemo? Not really. Sure, it doesn't fit best within a raging set or whatever but it's a good tune. It can certainly kill momentum like a Susanah used to in 2011....

I was about to say the same thing regarding Nemo.  Very comparable and I don't see No Diablo as any more of a flow disruptor than it.

The only difference being that when Nemo starts up, you know there is a very strong chance of improv occuring in the pause of the song.   I'm not the biggest fan of Nemo either, but knowing that some of my favorite jams have come from Nemo, I'm never disappointed when it starts at a show I'm attending.  No Diablo can be a total momentum killer for me personally, but I don't hate the song.  It just feels like the ugly duckling in a set a lot of the time, totally out of place.

They've only played No Diablo 8 times.  For all we know it will get improv in time.  Was Nemo actually jammed out from the beginning?  And I feel I see it just as often standard, or sandwiched around another standard song.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: the fussy asianmelt on January 22, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
Didn't realize there was hype surrounding No Diablo. It's a good song with some very solid lyrical work from Baylor that's not all a cryfest. Does it really fit within UMs sound? Not exactly. But is it much different in terms of how much it sticks out than a song like Nemo? Not really. Sure, it doesn't fit best within a raging set or whatever but it's a good tune. It can certainly kill momentum like a Susanah used to in 2011....

I was about to say the same thing regarding Nemo.  Very comparable and I don't see No Diablo as any more of a flow disruptor than it.

The only difference being that when Nemo starts up, you know there is a very strong chance of improv occuring in the pause of the song.   I'm not the biggest fan of Nemo either, but knowing that some of my favorite jams have come from Nemo, I'm never disappointed when it starts at a show I'm attending.  No Diablo can be a total momentum killer for me personally, but I don't hate the song.  It just feels like the ugly duckling in a set a lot of the time, totally out of place.

They've only played No Diablo 8 times.  For all we know it will get improv in time.  Was Nemo actually jammed out from the beginning?  And I feel I see it just as often standard, or sandwiched around another standard song.

Yeah, I could see No Diablo getting some treatment in the future. That little piano bridge prior to the last time through the chorus seems like it could be a launchpad for some improv.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on January 22, 2014, 11:40:30 AM
song is good but not mind-blowing or anything.

lol
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on January 22, 2014, 11:43:39 AM
IIRC it took a bunch of plays (perhaps over a year?) before it was give the treatment.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LiquidDreams on January 22, 2014, 11:54:02 AM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.

Blah blah. I think it is a great pop song that provides a well-played breather. Perfect placement at the Beacon.

To each their own.

I keep seeing references to songs being "breaks" or "breathers." Are you guys saying the band or the crowd needs these (or both)?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jimmyvegas on January 22, 2014, 11:56:03 AM
Ive caught 4 of 8 No Diablos and havent had a problem with it yet.  Not every song needs the treatment, and its lyrics are very poignant.  Hope it sticks around.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on January 22, 2014, 12:08:34 PM
Ive caught 4 of 8 No Diablos and havent had a problem with it yet.  Not every song needs the treatment, and its lyrics are very poignant.  Hope it sticks around.

caught 5 of 8 and im pretty much over it... i could deal with it being like the 2nd song of the show or first song of an encore with a full song rager (not closing out 1348 or snucka, etc)  following.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: RailroadEarther on January 22, 2014, 12:09:40 PM
song is good but not mind-blowing or anything.

lol

what's so funny yo?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: JWelsh on January 22, 2014, 12:14:16 PM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.

Blah blah. I think it is a great pop song that provides a well-played breather. Perfect placement at the Beacon.

To each their own.

I keep seeing references to songs being "breaks" or "breathers." Are you guys saying the band or the crowd needs these (or both)?

For me, a song like No Diablo or Alex's House or Uncle Wally, even, provide a nice "break" in the flow of a show. A time to let your ears relax before the band builds back up again. I know "flow" is an "in" word right now, and I find songs like these contribute to the "flow" of a set for me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on January 22, 2014, 12:28:28 PM
For me, a song like No Diablo or Alex's House or Uncle Wally, even, provide a nice "break" in the flow of a show. A time to let your ears relax before the band builds back up again. I know "flow" is an "in" word right now, and I find songs like these contribute to the "flow" of a set for me.
Didn't you know, if its not alternating between shredding rawk and the dance party untz it just destroys the flow.  ;)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on January 22, 2014, 12:29:17 PM
song is good but not mind-blowing or anything.

lol

what's so funny yo?

I just dont see anyone considering a mind-blowing song to begin with lol.  I definitely agree with you though.  Its placement in Milwaukee is exactly where the song needs to be when being played.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Jcubson on January 22, 2014, 01:00:14 PM
song is good but not mind-blowing or anything.

lol

what's so funny yo?

I just dont see anyone considering a mind-blowing song to begin with lol.  I definitely agree with you though.  Its placement in Milwaukee is exactly where the song needs to be when being played.
right after Comma Later is perfect?  I don't mind those songs too much, but back to back was a bad idea. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jolson523 on January 22, 2014, 01:29:01 PM
I'm not a No Diablo fan.  I've tried, and this song just doesn't do anything for me.

If you ever catch it live, you'll hate it even more. Absolutely destroys the flow / energy of a set.

Blah blah. I think it is a great pop song that provides a well-played breather. Perfect placement at the Beacon.

To each their own.

I keep seeing references to songs being "breaks" or "breathers." Are you guys saying the band or the crowd needs these (or both)?

For me, a song like No Diablo or Alex's House or Uncle Wally, even, provide a nice "break" in the flow of a show. A time to let your ears relax before the band builds back up again. I know "flow" is an "in" word right now, and I find songs like these contribute to the "flow" of a set for me.

Agreed completely. Gives the show a nice up and down
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on January 22, 2014, 01:52:36 PM
song is good but not mind-blowing or anything.

lol

what's so funny yo?

I just dont see anyone considering a mind-blowing song to begin with lol.  I definitely agree with you though.  Its placement in Milwaukee is exactly where the song needs to be when being played.
right after Comma Later is perfect?  I don't mind those songs too much, but back to back was a bad idea.

No, just in the middle> back end of a first set in general.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on January 22, 2014, 02:04:14 PM
No Diablo had perfect placement at the Beacon, not so much in Milwaukee IMO
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on January 22, 2014, 02:15:59 PM
No Diablo had perfect placement at the Beacon, not so much in Milwaukee IMO


tell me about it. it was one of the only 2 songs is saw
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: DiabetesCOLE on January 22, 2014, 02:23:58 PM
Synco is a waste of 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on January 22, 2014, 02:26:44 PM
Synco is a waste of 10 minutes.
I like the last section.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: BootyWaxxxer on January 22, 2014, 02:35:23 PM
Synco is a waste of 10 minutes.
I like the last section.

Same, but that's it
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on January 22, 2014, 02:36:33 PM
Synco is a waste of 10 minutes.
I like the last section.

Same, but that's it

+1
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jolson523 on January 22, 2014, 02:43:50 PM
Synco is a waste of 10 minutes.
I like the last section.

Same, but that's it

+1
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: RailroadEarther on January 22, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
song is good but not mind-blowing or anything.

lol

what's so funny yo?

I just dont see anyone considering a mind-blowing song to begin with lol.  I definitely agree with you though.  Its placement in Milwaukee is exactly where the song needs to be when being played.
right after Comma Later is perfect?  I don't mind those songs too much, but back to back was a bad idea.

No, just in the middle> back end of a first set in general.

yeah I guess you're right, no one called it mind-blowing....just reiterating that. Also, on paper it may not look the best, but that segment from MKE actually had great flow and worked well imho. Maybe I was just drunk.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UnCommon#5 on January 23, 2014, 02:46:46 PM
-this is kind of random, but I actually like the song Mantis, live and the studio version isn't that bad

-I throughly enjoy the lyrics of UM's songs and I'm always rooting for the band to get the harmonies correct (Kris, don't get too excited and use your diaphragm, and not your throat, and you'll be able to sing the high parts! because when he is reserved when he sings and doesn't get excited, he actually has one of the better voices in the band)! I like the stories conveyed in songs, and how the lyrics can be interpreted to mean a lot of things.  It keeps people guessing, and I find it interesting to hear what people think certain lyrics mean.
"when it's all said and done its enough to go..."

-I enjoyed the guest bassist set from Camp Bisco, I was there and it was a very energy filled set!  they made an hour seem like 10 minutes and I hope they get a longer set this year. 

-I generally don't like to wag my finger at the band, simply put because I enjoy anything that the band plays and I can feel the soul, I enjoy that they're trying the few times they "screw up". 

there's some good things to talk about, ready, set, GO!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on January 23, 2014, 02:55:01 PM


-I enjoyed the guest bassist set from Camp Bisco, I was there and it was a very energy filled set!  they made an hour seem like 10 minutes and I hope they get a longer set this year. 


it wasn't a bad set, i enjoyed murph's sit in a lot actually, but brownie BUTCHERED ITK

the DTM bassist didn't really have much of a chance to impress us considering we got a very short linear and booth love
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UnCommon#5 on January 23, 2014, 03:01:55 PM
yea, murph really impressed me, especially during 3x, and the opening Wappy to get the energy flowing. 

http://relix.oniricgroup.com/media/audio/relix-live-fridays-umphrey-s-mcgee-and-guest-bassists (website has high quality recordings of 3x, and Home Again, if anyone is interested)

yea that seems to be the consensus around here, when I was there though I was at least able to recognize the opening, but I see why they conveniently experienced "technical difficulties" on that 1 and only song.  jam is still awesome on ITK, and I still would've love to hear it again, if not just to compare to a normal ITK.

yea, I was kinda dissapointed in the short linear, because I really enjoy that song and it can produce some great jams if it has room to breath. but the booth love has some cool moments with the keytar battles! 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on January 23, 2014, 09:52:35 PM
yea, murph really impressed me, especially during 3x, and the opening Wappy to get the energy flowing. 

http://relix.oniricgroup.com/media/audio/relix-live-fridays-umphrey-s-mcgee-and-guest-bassists (website has high quality recordings of 3x, and Home Again, if anyone is interested)

yea that seems to be the consensus around here, when I was there though I was at least able to recognize the opening, but I see why they conveniently experienced "technical difficulties" on that 1 and only song.  jam is still awesome on ITK, and I still would've love to hear it again, if not just to compare to a normal ITK.

yea, I was kinda dissapointed in the short linear, because I really enjoy that song and it can produce some great jams if it has room to breath. but the booth love has some cool moments with the keytar battles!

agreed on all points

i believe there is a video of the ITK jam floating around somewhere on youtube

at the time i was faced and thought my ears/brain were just fucking with me during the ITK but after rendezvousing (is that really a word?) with other umph fans who didn't indulge as much as i did that first day had it confirmed that brownie just shit the bed

that home again though...HHNNNNNNNGGG
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UnCommon#5 on January 23, 2014, 11:51:00 PM
yea, murph really impressed me, especially during 3x, and the opening Wappy to get the energy flowing. 

http://relix.oniricgroup.com/media/audio/relix-live-fridays-umphrey-s-mcgee-and-guest-bassists (website has high quality recordings of 3x, and Home Again, if anyone is interested)

yea that seems to be the consensus around here, when I was there though I was at least able to recognize the opening, but I see why they conveniently experienced "technical difficulties" on that 1 and only song.  jam is still awesome on ITK, and I still would've love to hear it again, if not just to compare to a normal ITK.

yea, I was kinda dissapointed in the short linear, because I really enjoy that song and it can produce some great jams if it has room to breath. but the booth love has some cool moments with the keytar battles!

agreed on all points

i believe there is a video of the ITK jam floating around somewhere on youtube

at the time i was faced and thought my ears/brain were just fucking with me during the ITK but after rendezvousing (is that really a word?) with other umph fans who didn't indulge as much as i did that first day had it confirmed that brownie just shit the bed

that home again though...HHNNNNNNNGGG

Yea, Camp day 1 was another freaking ride, very interesting to say the absolute least.
do you have a link to the yam in ITK, by chance?? 


Oh yes, that home again is very on point, I was feeling very at home during that song, great jams were had.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on January 24, 2014, 12:10:25 AM
yea, murph really impressed me, especially during 3x, and the opening Wappy to get the energy flowing. 

http://relix.oniricgroup.com/media/audio/relix-live-fridays-umphrey-s-mcgee-and-guest-bassists (website has high quality recordings of 3x, and Home Again, if anyone is interested)

yea that seems to be the consensus around here, when I was there though I was at least able to recognize the opening, but I see why they conveniently experienced "technical difficulties" on that 1 and only song.  jam is still awesome on ITK, and I still would've love to hear it again, if not just to compare to a normal ITK.

yea, I was kinda dissapointed in the short linear, because I really enjoy that song and it can produce some great jams if it has room to breath. but the booth love has some cool moments with the keytar battles!

agreed on all points

i believe there is a video of the ITK jam floating around somewhere on youtube

at the time i was faced and thought my ears/brain were just fucking with me during the ITK but after rendezvousing (is that really a word?) with other umph fans who didn't indulge as much as i did that first day had it confirmed that brownie just shit the bed

that home again though...HHNNNNNNNGGG

Yea, Camp day 1 was another freaking ride, very interesting to say the absolute least.
do you have a link to the yam in ITK, by chance?? 


Oh yes, that home again is very on point, I was feeling very at home during that song, great jams were had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAbLW2GiQcc

that 4 hour or so strech of UM>STS9>biscuits was amazing. TBH, i thought the biscuits had the best set of the night, that opening segment was nutty
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UnCommon#5 on January 24, 2014, 12:39:15 AM
that's exactly what I kept saying the whole time! I kept saying it was the jam band mecca on the 1st night, and I agree, the biscuits blew me away.

"we like to party" - great way to get the party started.  I really enjoyed lotus too for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jolson523 on January 24, 2014, 09:21:31 AM
I like Hourglass. I still don't understand the hate. Pretty basic song, yeah, but I'd still prefer it way more than Synco, Peeps, or Gulf Stream just to name a few.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on January 24, 2014, 10:45:45 AM
I like Hourglass. I still don't understand the hate. Pretty basic song, yeah, but I'd still prefer it way more than Synco, Peeps, or Gulf Stream just to name a few.

You're not the only one who feels this way, although I'd rather have a Synco than Hourglass....agree with you on the other 2 songs, though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: BrockSamson on January 25, 2014, 12:46:30 PM
I like Hourglass. I still don't understand the hate. Pretty basic song, yeah, but I'd still prefer it way more than Synco, Peeps, or Gulf Stream just to name a few.

I agree and would also add Sociable Jimmy and 40'S Theme to that list as well.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Der Brazilian Kat on January 25, 2014, 01:11:56 PM
I like Hourglass. I still don't understand the hate. Pretty basic song, yeah, but I'd still prefer it way more than Synco, Peeps, or Gulf Stream just to name a few.

I agree and would also add Sociable Jimmy and 40'S Theme to that list as well.

OK, I can see why one would not like 40's that much, but Sociable??? Definitely one of my favorites in the catalog!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: RailroadEarther on January 25, 2014, 01:47:17 PM
I like Hourglass. I still don't understand the hate. Pretty basic song, yeah, but I'd still prefer it way more than Synco, Peeps, or Gulf Stream just to name a few.

I agree and would also add Sociable Jimmy and 40'S Theme to that list as well.

OK, I can see why one would not like 40's that much, but Sociable??? Definitely one of my favorites in the catalog!

yeah what the fuck....
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on January 25, 2014, 03:07:01 PM
I like Hourglass. I still don't understand the hate. Pretty basic song, yeah, but I'd still prefer it way more than Synco, Peeps, or Gulf Stream just to name a few.

I agree and would also add Sociable Jimmy and 40'S Theme to that list as well.
Go take that long walk off a short pier, son.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Sociable Hodor on January 25, 2014, 04:00:53 PM
I like Hourglass. I still don't understand the hate. Pretty basic song, yeah, but I'd still prefer it way more than Synco, Peeps, or Gulf Stream just to name a few.

I agree and would also add Sociable Jimmy and 40'S Theme to that list as well.
Go take that long walk off a short pier, son.

Wtf!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on January 25, 2014, 04:03:42 PM
I like Hourglass. I still don't understand the hate. Pretty basic song, yeah, but I'd still prefer it way more than Synco, Peeps, or Gulf Stream just to name a few.

I agree and would also add Sociable Jimmy and 40'S Theme to that list as well.

Beacon N1 Sociable would like to have a chat with you.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: jolson523 on January 25, 2014, 04:04:29 PM
Sociable is one of my favorite UM songs and 40s is always great. But that's what this thread is all about, right?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on January 25, 2014, 04:32:48 PM
Sociable is one of my favorite UM songs and 40s is always great. But that's what this thread is all about, right?

Sociable may be my favorite song too.. and has been for a while. and i see it a fuck ton relative to how little its played, and i cant get enough of it. oh its so good. fuck!!! i want it now.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on January 25, 2014, 04:35:33 PM
Sociable is one of my favorite UM songs and 40s is always great. But that's what this thread is all about, right?

Sociable may be my favorite song too.. and has been for a while. and i see it a fuck ton relative to how little its played, and i cant get enough of it. oh its so good. fuck!!! i want it now.
Going nearly 7 years between Sociables was the worst thing UM has ever done to me. That song is the best.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: The_k13 on January 25, 2014, 04:46:27 PM
Sociable is one of my favorite UM songs and 40s is always great. But that's what this thread is all about, right?

Sociable may be my favorite song too.. and has been for a while. and i see it a fuck ton relative to how little its played, and i cant get enough of it. oh its so good. fuck!!! i want it now.
Going nearly 7 years between Sociables was the worst thing UM has ever done to me. That song is the best.

It was 5 for me. I feel you pains .. sort of.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Jcubson on February 22, 2014, 01:31:16 PM
Got my first "drums" last night in 35 shows.  Don't understand why everyone hates on drums,  I don't mind it once in awhile. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: flyfishmich on February 22, 2014, 01:40:03 PM
Sociable is one of my favorite UM songs and 40s is always great. But that's what this thread is all about, right?

Sociable may be my favorite song too.. and has been for a while. and i see it a fuck ton relative to how little its played, and i cant get enough of it. oh its so good. fuck!!! i want it now.
Going nearly 7 years between Sociables was the worst thing UM has ever done to me. That song is the best.

It was 5 for me. I feel you pains .. sort of.
This is a good one, downloadable link https://archive.org/download/um2013-07-03.mk4.flac16/um2013-07-03mk4s1t03.mp3

https://archive.org/details/um2013-07-03.mk4.flac16
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on February 22, 2014, 05:15:03 PM
I saw last nights setlist and felt like i dodged a bullet. awful dog selection (besides crooked one)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: peyotecoyote on February 22, 2014, 05:16:01 PM
I saw last nights setlist and felt like i dodged a bullet. awful dog selection (besides crooked one)

You should know by now it's not always about song selection ya silly ginger. 1st set smoked, 2nd set was ok too.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: chadw on February 22, 2014, 05:32:03 PM
I pretty much quit listening to any Umphreys show past 08ish....

Maybe my musical tastes changed or maybe I had a good run with Umphreys and it was time to move on..

They are still top 3 favorite musicians..... but if i were to throw on a show it would be circa 04-07.... Most likely 06-07

many lifestyle changes happened circa 08, kids came into my picture, but IMO, the umphreys i enjoyed kinda changed.... Some like the change, some dont.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LarrySellers on February 23, 2014, 11:05:52 AM
I saw last nights setlist and felt like i dodged a bullet. awful dog selection (besides crooked one)

Best show of the run IMO
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on February 23, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
I saw last nights setlist and felt like i dodged a bullet. awful dog selection (besides crooked one)

worst show of the run IMO
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on February 23, 2014, 03:16:33 PM
I pretty much quit listening to any Umphreys show past 08ish....

Maybe my musical tastes changed or maybe I had a good run with Umphreys and it was time to move on..

They are still top 3 favorite musicians..... but if i were to throw on a show it would be circa 04-07.... Most likely 06-07

many lifestyle changes happened circa 08, kids came into my picture, but IMO, the umphreys i enjoyed kinda changed.... Some like the change, some dont.

Yeah, it happens. Sometimes its burnout, but sometimes the band changes and it ain't your cup of tea. Lately I feel like there's a lot of times where Jake is playing way way too much. Kinda want to tell him to STFU and build on the sweet groove that the other guys have built instead of the just shredding the neck up and down. Save it for when it counts. And he's one of my most influential guitarists (nowadays).
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UnCommon#5 on February 23, 2014, 04:10:17 PM
here's an unpopular opinion, I actually really liked all 3 nights of this run.  I feel like everyone is way to critical and has their expectations set (if I don't here ITK, it's automatically a bad show).  I feel as though they really played well, and jammed fantastically for all 3 nights.  You all should go to a show expecting nothing but the greatness that only Umphrey's McGee can offer.  Leave your song chasing at the door and just enjoy the show and take the ride with the band! I'm thankful to have been able to watch from the comfort of my couch and I had an amazing time all 3 nights.  I can't believe it's already over  :solo: but nonetheless I had so much fun, and as always leaves me craving to see them more! Satisfying run and leaves me wanting S'Camp now more than ever.  I can't wait to own these shows, I just hope they're able to keep the covers in the videos released. 

my $0.02
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: diesel on December 29, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
I can't stand the sound of horns with UM.

When they had strings at Ravinia this summer - that sounded great.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Mac on December 29, 2014, 10:52:08 PM
I absolutely HATE Higgins. I don't care if it produces good improv.

I also hate when they cover Bob Marley, but that's just because I don't like Bob.

Driven to Tears is also not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on December 30, 2014, 08:00:48 AM
here's an unpopular opinion, I actually really liked all 3 nights of this run.  I feel like everyone is way to critical and has their expectations set (if I don't here ITK, it's automatically a bad show).  I feel as though they really played well, and jammed fantastically for all 3 nights.  You all should go to a show expecting nothing but the greatness that only Umphrey's McGee can offer.  Leave your song chasing at the door and just enjoy the show and take the ride with the band! I'm thankful to have been able to watch from the comfort of my couch and I had an amazing time all 3 nights.  I can't believe it's already over  :solo: but nonetheless I had so much fun, and as always leaves me craving to see them more! Satisfying run and leaves me wanting S'Camp now more than ever.  I can't wait to own these shows, I just hope they're able to keep the covers in the videos released. 

my $0.02
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: utopian_Fir on December 30, 2014, 08:10:11 AM
I can't stand the sound of horns with UM.

When they had strings at Ravinia this summer - that sounded great.

Couldn't agree more. Except for last years Dec 29th show with Redman, he killed it!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on December 30, 2014, 10:15:54 AM
I pretty much quit listening to any Umphreys show past 08ish....

Maybe my musical tastes changed or maybe I had a good run with Umphreys and it was time to move on..

They are still top 3 favorite musicians..... but if i were to throw on a show it would be circa 04-07.... Most likely 06-07

many lifestyle changes happened circa 08, kids came into my picture, but IMO, the umphreys i enjoyed kinda changed.... Some like the change, some dont.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on December 30, 2014, 11:40:31 AM
^Isn't your fave year 2010?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on December 30, 2014, 11:42:43 AM
^Isn't your fave year 2010?
its my favorite to champion as UMs most underrated year. Im a 06-08 guy in terms of where my favorites lie.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 05, 2019, 03:44:10 PM
Bustout bumping this thread because the last year or two I have come to firmly believe I like 2011-current UM more than 2010 and earlier. 2007 UM is what got me into them but so many of the jams considered great from earlier UM just bore me these days. I like that they attempted a lot of things from a compositional standpoint in their jams back then but the actual product leaves so much to be desired to my ears. Other than arguably Jake, the entire band is 1000 times better at crafting their sound/texture/spot in a jam now than they were back then. I can't even pinpoint it to a single member of the band in particular because it's true for all of them. I'll always have a soft spot for golden era UM but when I go to listen to them, it's modern era for me 9/10 times. It's cool that there were longer jams more often back then but that means nothing to me if I prefer the sound of newer jams, and IMO there is still more than enough jamming at most UM shows I go to.

I know it's tough to lump 2011 in with current era UM because I think many people consider it the end of older UM, rather than the beginning of newer UM. To me though, 2011 has all the huge jamming of older years without the things I find myself disliking about the older stuff. More polish while still pushing the envelope, better texture etc.

I'm aware that I'm basically one of the only people on the bort that feels this way. There's exceptions to the rule but I went on a binge of older UM last night looking for jams that really did it for me, and most of them just didn't.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on July 05, 2019, 04:26:12 PM
I get very sad when I listen to 2007 UM. Bring back 2007 Jake!!!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 05, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
I think part of it is that old UM has so much “white boy funk” and jamtronica and stuff. It might be because the scene is so watered down with that stuff these days but it really doesn’t do much for me lately. Also in a lot of older UM dancy jams I notice that (I think) Andy is hitting some kind of sleigh bells every single quarter note and it gets so annoying so quick to me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on July 05, 2019, 05:16:11 PM
Ya you’re in this boat by yourself. 2005-2011 is UM at its finest.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on July 05, 2019, 05:17:12 PM
Most of the UM I listen to is 2010- , mostly just because the sound quality is better though. I don't get a boner for the "golden era" like some
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on July 05, 2019, 05:24:25 PM
Although listening to 2007 is insanely refreshing to my ears, I as well prefer 2010-2013 over anything.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on July 05, 2019, 05:45:49 PM
Most of the UM I listen to is 2010- , mostly just because the sound quality is better though. I don't get a boner for the "golden era" like some

I do wish they would go back and remaster some of those shows.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on July 05, 2019, 05:46:17 PM
Although listening to 2007 is insanely refreshing to my ears, I as well prefer 2010-2013 over anything.

I always forget 2013. That year was fyre
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: MrSandman on July 05, 2019, 07:15:28 PM
Bustout bumping this thread because the last year or two I have come to firmly believe I like 2011-current UM more than 2010 and earlier. 2007 UM is what got me into them but so many of the jams considered great from earlier UM just bore me these days. I like that they attempted a lot of things from a compositional standpoint in their jams back then but the actual product leaves so much to be desired to my ears. Other than arguably Jake, the entire band is 1000 times better at crafting their sound/texture/spot in a jam now than they were back then. I can't even pinpoint it to a single member of the band in particular because it's true for all of them. I'll always have a soft spot for golden era UM but when I go to listen to them, it's modern era for me 9/10 times. It's cool that there were longer jams more often back then but that means nothing to me if I prefer the sound of newer jams, and IMO there is still more than enough jamming at most UM shows I go to.

I know it's tough to lump 2011 in with current era UM because I think many people consider it the end of older UM, rather than the beginning of newer UM. To me though, 2011 has all the huge jamming of older years without the things I find myself disliking about the older stuff. More polish while still pushing the envelope, better texture etc.

I'm aware that I'm basically one of the only people on the bort that feels this way. There's exceptions to the rule but I went on a binge of older UM last night looking for jams that really did it for me, and most of them just didn't.

I saw my first show UM show in 2006. I didn't start truly loving them until 2013. This year I've caught the BK run, Penn's Peak and Red Rocks. Stone Pony and Halloween/Phillymore still to come. Pretty strong chance 2019 will be my favorite year ever of UM.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Bron Yr Aur on July 05, 2019, 07:27:30 PM
Most of the UM I listen to is 2010- , mostly just because the sound quality is better though. I don't get a boner for the "golden era" like some

I do wish they would go back and remaster some of those shows.

Yes. 

The setlists had a lot more wild shit back in 06-08 and things were less predictable even though the song rotation was half as large.

That said, band is absolutely crushing it in 2019 and this last stretch going back to last year is easily the best they have been since 2010-11.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: terminallyphil on July 05, 2019, 07:28:57 PM
Most of the UM I listen to is 2010- , mostly just because the sound quality is better though. I don't get a boner for the "golden era" like some

I do wish they would go back and remaster some of those shows.

Yes. 

The setlists had a lot more wild shit back in 06-08 and things were less predictable even though the song rotation was half as large.

That said, band is absolutely crushing it in 2019 and this last stretch going back to last year is easily the best they have been since 2010-11.

But what does Bron say?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 05, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
UM’s playing aside, the hive mind has never been as strong as it is in 2019
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on July 05, 2019, 08:22:16 PM
I think part of it is that old UM has so much “white boy funk” and jamtronica and stuff. It might be because the scene is so watered down with that stuff these days but it really doesn’t do much for me lately. Also in a lot of older UM dancy jams I notice that (I think) Andy is hitting some kind of sleigh bells every single quarter note and it gets so annoying so quick to me.

While I can't dispute that UM circa '19 is good, I do prefer the '05-'11, as Perren posted.  That era saw more risk-taking than present day UM.  Current UM is good, but in a different way than back then.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 05, 2019, 08:52:39 PM
What are we defining as taking risks? I’m not sure but I just know I find the palette of sound to be more interesting and complex nowadays.

I listened to a lot of the big 07-08 Firs recently and basically none of them did it for me. I liked the 10klf and Scamp 08 ones but neither left me blown away. Same with the Truckee Plunger, I want to like a 30 minute Plunger so badly. For me, the first jam is a total dud and the second one is good in spots and I like the overall themes but for some reason the jam still kinda bores me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on July 05, 2019, 09:02:18 PM
What are we defining as taking risks? I’m not sure but I just know I find the palette of sound to be more interesting and complex nowadays.

I listened to a lot of the big 07-08 Firs recently and basically none of them did it for me. I liked the 10klf and Scamp 08 ones but neither left me blown away. Same with the Truckee Plunger, I want to like a 30 minute Plunger so badly. For me, the first jam is a total dud and the second one is good in spots and I like the overall themes but for some reason the jam still kinda bores me.

They were taking more risks at that time by just going for it - there were a lot of great jams and a few duds in the process.  As they've gained popularity, they still jam, but play it safer.  You're not gonna hear some way out there jam from them these days like they used to do back in the day.  Again, UM is still a good band, just in a different way than that time frame.  People say the same thing about Phish, String Cheese, etc.  It wasn't a pot shot at UM, just an observation.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 05, 2019, 09:19:59 PM
Yeah I know, I’m just having a discussion.

For me a jam like 2/15/19 Plunger is significantly more “way out there” to me than many of the older jams. I could list more examples but that’s one that immediately springs to mind. It’s hard to describe, because I understand what you’re getting at but I find the jams more risky now from a sense of actual playing vs from a structural standpoint. Just listen to Kris and Stasik these days. Their playing is way more open ended and less hinged on repitition. A lot of older jams were longer but so many of them were longer based on “play this bounceback over and over and over.” I think back in the day you were more likely to get a full on extra section of the jam which is nice, but you still get that quite often today too.

I’m not going to change anybody’s minds about how UM now compares to UM then. Just explaining how I see things.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on July 05, 2019, 09:23:03 PM
Yeah I know, I’m just having a discussion.

For me a jam like 2/15/19 Plunger is significantly more “way out there” to me than many of the older jams. I could list more examples but that’s one that immediately springs to mind. It’s hard to describe, because I understand what you’re getting at but I find the jams more risky now from a sense of actual playing vs from a structural standpoint. Just listen to Kris and Stasik these days. Their playing is way more open ended and less hinged on repitition. A lot of older jams were longer but so many of them were longer based on “play this bounceback over and over and over.” I think back in the day you were more likely to get a full on extra section of the jam which is nice, but you still get that quite often today too.

I’m not going to change anybody’s minds about how UM now compares to UM then. Just explaining how I see things.

No prob, I totally get what you're saying.  As the old phrase around here used to go, "diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks".   I love the older UM with the EDM/funk vibe, and love the heavier vibe of present day.  There are certain eras of UM that I really don't care for, like most of '16,  Feb/Mar '15, etc., so I get where you're coming from.

On that note, I'll give that 2/15/19 Plunger a listen.  Admittedly, I have not heard this show...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: WOLFpacker16 on July 05, 2019, 09:25:05 PM
Modern day UM is definitely more pleasing to listen to on tape imo. I don’t like jakes tone in a lot of 06-07 shows and bayliss’s tone has also vastly improved since then
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 05, 2019, 09:37:03 PM
Modern day UM is definitely more pleasing to listen to on tape imo. I don’t like jakes tone in a lot of 06-07 shows and bayliss’s tone has also vastly improved since then

I also find the drums/percussion a lot more enjoyable now. A lot of older dance jams just kind of “plod along” on the drums to my ears.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Bron Yr Aur on July 05, 2019, 09:46:29 PM
Cshore, just quit while you are ahead.  If you can't get the fuck down to 6/7/07, 7/1/07, 7/19/07, and 10/24/07 Firs....then I don't know what to tell you.

They milked peaks so well back in 07.  Listen to 3/14/07 Bright Lights, for example, my God.  Plus you got the occasional intro JO's, which we never get anymore.

10/4/07 Bright Lights is another example of the risk taking UM.  2 jam BLights with the first in a weird spot, but the whole things ends up being incredible.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UMFree on July 05, 2019, 09:47:30 PM
The guitar tones are one of my favorite aspects of the sbds from 04-08. But i know that is completely just based in nostalgia alone. Nothing beats the “golden era” for me. They have their jams down to almost a formula at this point and they do it well. There were just more risks back in the day bc of where they were at in their lives. Just young guys traveling the country playin drug band rock n roll. Lookin to sink that next half court shot. Jakes playing was precise, evolving and never/rarely stale. I do think i enjoy post-2011 Bayliss more tho, actually. And i dont think that Jake’s playing has gotten worse by any means, I just think his influences as of late have steered him into a much more atonal/Fripp direction. It also kind of seems like its either fusion-y jazz or sludgey metal in jams he leads these days (2017+). Still absolutely love where everything is with the band these days though, without a doubt. 2017 and especially 2018 looped me back into posting on here and seeing 10-15 shows a year again and i dont see that changing anytime soon. MW run in August cant come soon enough!

Edit: nice show references, Bron. Some excellent stuff there.

12/3/04 (HBB), 11/2/06, 11/04/05 (FF>40s), 11/4/06 (holy 3x)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 05, 2019, 09:50:07 PM
Cshore, just quit while you are ahead.  If you can't get the fuck down to 6/7/07, 7/1/07, 7/19/07, and 10/24/07 Firs....then I don't know what to tell you.

They milked peaks so well back in 07.  Listen to 3/14/07 Bright Lights, for example, my God.  Plus you got the occasional intro JO's, which we never get anymore.

10/4/07 Bright Lights is another example of the risk taking UM.  2 jam BLights with the first in a weird spot, but the whole things ends up being incredible.

Lol sorry for giving my admittedly unpopular opinion in the unpopular opinion thread? I find most of those Firs to be too straightforward. 10klf being an exception but also really rocky IMO.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Bron Yr Aur on July 05, 2019, 10:04:57 PM
Obvs you are entitled to your opinion and I mostly agree with you about current UM being fire, BUT>>>>

07 Firs being straightforward is the funniest shit I have ever read.  When literally 9/10 Firs now are just dance/funk jam with a short peak and the outro jam is just them toying around with the same riff for 2-3 mins. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on July 05, 2019, 10:10:23 PM
07 Firs being straightforward is the funniest shit I have ever read.

No offense, cshore, but your assessment of 07 Firs IS way off-mark.  You may not like the 07 Firs, but they're anything but straight forward.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on July 05, 2019, 10:13:30 PM
Perhaps you should start an “Extremely Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee” thread Colin?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on July 05, 2019, 10:18:25 PM
ISO: 2019 jam better than 10/16/07 Hey 19
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on July 05, 2019, 10:21:23 PM
ISO: 2019 jam better than 10/16/07 Hey 19

You could do this with a lot of ‘07 jams. Not just that Hey 19
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on July 05, 2019, 10:21:49 PM
ISO: 2019 jam better than 10/16/07 Hey 19

ISO: 2019 jam better than 03/23/07 Intentions Clear
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on July 05, 2019, 10:22:41 PM
ISO: 2019 jam better than 10/16/07 Hey 19

Not sure if there are any that are better, but 2019 jams do like dinner dates and walks on the beach.  :P
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UMFree on July 05, 2019, 10:26:23 PM
ISO: 2019 jam better than 10/16/07 Hey 19

ISO: 2019 jam better than 03/23/07 Intentions Clear

ISO: 2019 jam better than 11/9/07 Ringo
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on July 05, 2019, 10:27:39 PM
ISO: 2019 jam better than 10/16/07 Hey 19

You could do this with a lot of ‘07 jams.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 05, 2019, 11:27:42 PM
Listening to that Hey 19. I liked Joel's work in the first part a lot. That was some out there playing. Jam kinda just turned into a long jam band uplifting peak, which is fine but not what I am looking for when I say I want a jam to be "out there." I'm well familiar with the IC in question Dan. Again, good jam, great jam. Just not what I prefer or what I'm looking for these days.

You guys should really keep in mind that my word choices throughout all of this. I like 2011-current UM more. The older jams leave a lot to be desired to my ears. I find the palette of sound to be more interesting and complex nowadays.

People like different shit. It's funny to me how strong the reaction is to me saying I prefer something other than 2007 UM on a thread called "Unpopular opinions about Umphrey's McGee." I'm well aware everyone here likes 2007 UM the most. It is literally the most obvious thing about this place.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Bron Yr Aur on July 06, 2019, 12:00:40 AM
In the end, if you didn't see them, it's hard to tie the music to a lived experience.  And for those if us who saw them, there is a lot of nostalgia that contributes to feelings about that era.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Hilikus on July 06, 2019, 01:03:53 AM
Cshore, when did you start seeing UM?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 06, 2019, 01:05:11 AM
Cshore, when did you start seeing UM?

Listening 2008, seeing them 2/6/10.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on July 06, 2019, 02:14:19 AM
This is a great showing for "Cshore has the worst opinions" thread
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UnCommon#5 on July 06, 2019, 02:16:04 AM
I think of UM like a constant chord progression if that makes any kind of sense.. I think they consistently "get better" but with that their sound changes and that is definitely the root of what's being discussed here. I think the old school UM is super loose, still tight but oh my gosh just not as metronomic as is can be nowadays ('98-05ish). Then it goes > "golden era" (06-08) > Mantis > 2011 > (2012 definitely has moments like the summer especially, many highlights) but as it is with them sometimes album releases kill the quality of shows). Then we're getting to the often forgotten about 2013, especially fall ter has so many jems like 10/16 dump, 10/21 Reso -> Mulche's, 10/24 Phil's. Then Similar Skin/TLS ('14-'16ish) has the metal influence like the Plunger from Ashland or KaBump -> Phil's, Linear from the Crystal Ballroom just for a couple examples. Then it's arguably modern UM as some of you guys are saying '17- present UM is delivering some interesting setlists and multiple longer quality jams in shows not just one big home run swing on one jam.  They're more formulaic these days because imho they've found an equation that seems to work for them in a live setting. Still enough curveballs with dog selection and jams that they keep me interested!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on July 06, 2019, 03:29:03 AM
Imagine liking UM and saying that Hey19 isn’t what I’m looking for in UM jams these days. If that jam happened in today’s shows everyone would shit a brick.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: slowciableslowdor on July 06, 2019, 07:40:30 AM
mantis is my #1 pissbreak song.

Ive managed to avoid Mantis through 22 shows. Looking forward to hearing my first one but then probably never again.

God damn hodor. This didn’t age well.

I’d take a mantis every show these days. It’s just the best
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: slowciableslowdor on July 06, 2019, 07:44:35 AM
I'm kinda bored of funky UM jams. They all seem to go in a very similar direction these days. '07 Funk is where it's at. Much more exploratory and many different directions they go

Also check opscop shutting down cshores terrible opinions
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on July 06, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Can we start a thread where Cshore reviews all the greatest jams of all time and gives us his downplaying thoughts on them and how they are less superior to 2/15 Plunger?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: slowciableslowdor on July 06, 2019, 07:56:32 AM
Can we start a thread where Cshore reviews all the greatest jams of all time and gives us his downplaying thoughts on them and how they are less superior to 2/15 Plunger?

You just lack his refined pallete, bro.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: IntentionsUnclear117 on July 06, 2019, 08:01:15 AM
People like different shit. It's funny to me how strong the reaction is to me saying I prefer something other than 2007 UM on a thread called "Unpopular opinions about Umphrey's McGee." I'm well aware everyone here likes 2007 UM the most. It is literally the most obvious thing about this place.

Fwiw cshore, Im with you. I love those old "golden era" jams but more and more I find myself going back to them and think "god damn this is a mess" with the entire band sort of playing on different levels. Sometimes I listen back to those and think that this is just the Jake Cinninger show and the jams only really take off once the rest of the band catches up to him. I also think that with hindsight I can say that the jams werent nearly as varied in tone as people claim they are. I can tell a 2007 jam pretty easily without being given the date because a lot of them do have a sort of similar structure.

I too started seeing this band in 2008 and for the last 11 years I have been constantly and consistently told that the band is a shadow of what they once were. And for 11 years this band has proven to me thats not true in the slightest. Are there a ton of great jams from that era? You bet your fucking ass there are. Do the amount of great jams decrease after then? No way.

Of course it isnt until well after the fact that 2011 is being seen as a good year for UM. I dont think people are very good at deciphering what is good in the moment with this band, especially if youre adopting the hypercritical post-show-review tone.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on July 06, 2019, 08:11:14 AM
At least we all agree that 2011 is the goat
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 06, 2019, 08:12:18 AM
I'm kinda bored of funky UM jams. They all seem to go in a very similar direction these days. '07 Funk is where it's at. Much more exploratory and many different directions they go

Also check opscop shutting down cshores terrible opinions

I still generally think funk jams are the weak link of UM improv
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Yawnspterodactyl on July 06, 2019, 08:15:53 AM
At least we all agree that 2011 is the goat

That year is amazing. Remember when we tried to do a royal rumble bracket for 2011 jams?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: slowciableslowdor on July 06, 2019, 08:40:00 AM
Can someone start a generally popular opinions about cshore thread
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: i_rest_alot on July 06, 2019, 05:24:18 PM
Not that big of a fan of HBB. Was at a number of the GOATs (DC 04, Paris, laser new year one, Denver 07) and loved them, but the majority, these days anyway, are meh.

Flame away, as needed.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on July 06, 2019, 10:23:57 PM
cshore is the #1 heel in the territory. Sells out threads, I love it.

Bad Friday is a good encore.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Wally on July 07, 2019, 09:53:25 AM
Some of their best originals are trashed on dis here BORT, and some of their worst covers are egregiously praised on dis here BORT.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 07, 2019, 10:01:04 AM
Not that big of a fan of HBB. Was at a number of the GOATs (DC 04, Paris, laser new year one, Denver 07) and loved them, but the majority, these days anyway, are meh.

Flame away, as needed.

I've never been a big fan of HBB. The whole mid-section (coming out of the first jam) is some of my least favorite composed UM. The return from the jams is always super awkward and forced
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UnCommon#5 on July 07, 2019, 11:08:53 AM
Not that big of a fan of HBB. Was at a number of the GOATs (DC 04, Paris, laser new year one, Denver 07) and loved them, but the majority, these days anyway, are meh.

Flame away, as needed.

I've never been a big fan of HBB. The whole mid-section (coming out of the first jam) is some of my least favorite composed UM. The return from the jams is always super awkward and forced

Awh man, hot take. I love how they drift back into the composed sections after a nice jam.  Different strokes I guess

I think Umphrey's actually has good vocals (mostly talking modern UM here) now that they've clearly taken some voice lessons it really helps them nail those harmonies
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: gatroe on July 07, 2019, 11:22:44 AM
Phish has aged better than UM
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: DiabetesCOLE on July 07, 2019, 11:53:57 AM
Ive been seeing UM since 2005, I think where the band got kinda meh was 2013-15. They put on great shows, but they just got soooo repetitive IMO. They just knew how to place the home run peaks to get the crowd going, but were way less exploratory. I feel this is right when they settled into the crowd size they've been maintaining for a while. They just wanted to put out "good" shows and not explore and possibly fuck up. They also really overused start/stop jams. I remember thinking in a show I saw during that period that they did start/stop jams 3 times in the same show. I think 2016 on has been pretty great. Catching that improv set in Madison really got me interested in the band in again, but I admittedly though, was a jaded asshole for a while. They've never had a bad period, just different era's where they check all my proverbial boxes.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: terminallyphil on July 07, 2019, 11:54:29 AM
Some of their best originals are trashed on dis here BORT, and some of their worst covers are egregiously praised on dis here BORT.

A few examples of each?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 07, 2019, 12:05:39 PM
Ive been seeing UM since 2005, I think where the band got kinda meh was 2013-15. They put on great shows, but they just got soooo repetitive IMO. They just knew how to place the home run peaks to get the crowd going, but were way less exploratory. I feel this is right when they settled into the crowd size they've been maintaining for a while. They just wanted to put out "good" shows and not explore and possibly fuck up. They also really overused start/stop jams. I remember thinking in a show I saw during that period that they did start/stop jams 3 times in the same show. I think 2016 on has been pretty great. Catching that improv set in Madison really got me interested in the band in again, but I admittedly though, was a jaded asshole for a while. They've never had a bad period, just different era's where they check all my proverbial boxes.

Yeah, I think 2015 specifically could be pinned down as UMs worst year. I actually really like fall 2013 and while 2014 was extremely rocky, it had some insane highlights IMO. 2015 also had some great stuff. Any year of UM is going to. But I think 2015 was probably the least notable year as a whole. 2016 onward has been increasingly getting better and better with 2019 being absolutely awesome if you ask me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Wally on July 07, 2019, 12:33:46 PM
Some of their best originals are trashed on dis here BORT, and some of their worst covers are egregiously praised on dis here BORT.

A few examples of each?


Bad Friday
No Diablo
Similar Skin
Little Gift
You And You Alone (full disclosure - i didn’t like this one at first...it grew on me)
———————————
Baba O’riley
Layla
Where Is My Mind
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 07, 2019, 12:35:30 PM
Some of their best originals are trashed on dis here BORT, and some of their worst covers are egregiously praised on dis here BORT.

A few examples of each?


Bad Friday
No Diablo
Similar Skin
Little Gift
You And You Alone (full disclosure - i didn’t like this one at first...it grew on me)

Yeah those are definitely UM's best originals...  ::)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 07, 2019, 12:40:34 PM
No Diablo chorus is awesome, great songwriting. Rest of it sucks IMO, but made painfully worse by the live vocals in the verse.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Random Ass on July 07, 2019, 01:08:00 PM
Just realized No Diablo has only been played once this year.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UMFree on July 07, 2019, 01:49:26 PM
Just realized No Diablo has only been played once this year.

Replaced with YAYA
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cryan024 on July 07, 2019, 02:34:47 PM
Probably the worst UM take I have heard, but I guess I can see how if you werent seeing them in that era how you would have a harder time making an emotional connection to it. I agree with 2011 being about as good as it gets, though. I also think 2019 has been great, but a lot of that is due to the fact that I thought 2014-most of 2018 was so boring and predictable. I love going to shows again, which is really all that matters to me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 07, 2019, 02:39:46 PM
Probably the worst UM take I have heard, but I guess I can see how if you werent seeing them in that era how you would have a harder time making an emotional connection to it. I agree with 2011 being about as good as it gets, though. I also think 2019 has been great, but a lot of that is due to the fact that I thought 2014-most of 2018 was so boring and predictable. I love going to shows again, which is really all that matters to me.

I’m pretty sure we have very different tastes in UM jams. Also I would be willing to bet you are the single most jaded person here, with Grover being your only competition. I think it definitely speaks to the quality of 2019 UM that even you think it’s great.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cryan024 on July 07, 2019, 02:43:38 PM
Probably the worst UM take I have heard, but I guess I can see how if you werent seeing them in that era how you would have a harder time making an emotional connection to it. I agree with 2011 being about as good as it gets, though. I also think 2019 has been great, but a lot of that is due to the fact that I thought 2014-most of 2018 was so boring and predictable. I love going to shows again, which is really all that matters to me.

I’m pretty sure we have very different tastes in UM jams. Also I would be willing to bet you are the single most jaded person here, with Grover being your only competition. I think it definitely speaks to the quality of 2019 UM that even you think it’s great.

Ha, I have actually become way less jaded with all things music the last couple of years, but I cant deny how big of a hater I was for a long time. I know plenty of folks who are more jaded than me, but they just dont post much anymore. Either way, thanks for the shout out. 2019 definitely rules.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UncleDutchman on July 07, 2019, 03:16:52 PM
So I *should* go to the Chicago show this summer?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 07, 2019, 03:22:36 PM
So I *should* go to the Chicago show this summer?

Naw band hasn’t been good since Muncie
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Southern Dan on July 07, 2019, 05:52:10 PM
Baba and Layla are right up there w SOYCD with regards to covers I do not want to hear at a show.

I love YAYA and Similar Skin.  The later is quintessential UM imo, multiple legos formed together to create an amazing song.  Bad Friday is okay, don’t hate it.  No Diablo is a cute little song but I don’t want to hear it at a show at all.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on July 07, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
Just realized No Diablo has only been played once this year.

In related news, 2019 says "Thank God!!"
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Cworty06 on July 07, 2019, 09:37:14 PM
I like Gulf Stream.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 07, 2019, 09:43:21 PM
I like Gulf Stream.

If you don't Gulf the fuck down with me at a show you're not my bro. Thisiswhatwecametodo'd
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on July 08, 2019, 01:53:28 PM
No Diablo is a well written song in general. Doesn't mean I want to see it at a show, but it's easily one of their best "radio-friendly" songs. Studio track is not bad at all.

Whoever said Phish has aged better than UM... I don't see it. If you said "Phish takes more chances in their older age than UM does in theirs" then I could probably agree with you. Maybe that's the same, I don't know.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AlexTheDictator on July 08, 2019, 02:02:49 PM
lol Phish has not aged better

If Trey can play at 1994 levels of accuracy again I'll change my tune.  He's way too fucking sloppy.  UM still practices.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: WOLFpacker16 on July 08, 2019, 02:07:08 PM
Miami Virtue is a fucking banger of a song.  They rarely nail it live, especially the vocal harmonies, and the jams that it spawns are all basically the same at this point, but it is still a song I always like seeing
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 08, 2019, 02:11:04 PM
I thought he meant the opposite, as in old Phish holds up better now than old UM does.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: chicagostylehotdog on July 08, 2019, 04:46:13 PM
I like Deeper
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 08, 2019, 04:51:40 PM
I like Deeper

banned
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: gatroe on July 08, 2019, 06:09:43 PM
I thought he meant the opposite, as in old Phish holds up better now than old UM does.

Nah meant Troy sounds better than Jake right now. See SPAC N2 Antelope and Fenway N2 Reba.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: nextmovement41 on July 08, 2019, 06:11:32 PM
I like Deeper

It’s a great song
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: StoneJackBaller on July 08, 2019, 08:05:41 PM
I like Deeper

It’s a great song
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: brink on July 08, 2019, 09:04:26 PM
I like Deeper

banned
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on July 08, 2019, 09:04:56 PM
I like Deeper

It’s a great song
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 08, 2019, 09:18:39 PM
bleh
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: JWelsh on July 08, 2019, 09:33:23 PM
I thought he meant the opposite, as in old Phish holds up better now than old UM does.

Nah meant Troy sounds better than Jake right now. See SPAC N2 Antelope and Fenway N2 Reba.

Didn't Trey fuck that up?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 08, 2019, 09:35:30 PM
I thought he meant the opposite, as in old Phish holds up better now than old UM does.

Nah meant Troy sounds better than Jake right now. See SPAC N2 Antelope and Fenway N2 Reba.

Didn't Trey fuck that up?

Thank god you're here, now you can ban these Deeper fans   :beers:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Stringz on July 08, 2019, 10:34:18 PM
I like Deeper
12/28/2013 deeper was real fun.  I've always dug that song.  Ban me
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UnCommon#5 on July 08, 2019, 11:40:24 PM
Especially when they give it a jam, Deeper is a fun song to hear live
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Andrusy on July 09, 2019, 09:30:27 AM
Holidaze 2012 Deeper 4 lyfe. Indy 2013 one is a banger too.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: FussyManDutch on July 09, 2019, 11:06:07 AM
I like Deeper

It’s a great song
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Wally on July 10, 2019, 12:35:37 AM
Some of their best originals are trashed on dis here BORT, and some of their worst covers are egregiously praised on dis here BORT.

A few examples of each?


Bad Friday
No Diablo
Similar Skin
Little Gift
You And You Alone (full disclosure - i didn’t like this one at first...it grew on me)

Yeah those are definitely UM's best originals...  ::)

Come to think of it, your criticism is spot-on -  “best” may not have been the best word to use.

A better way of putting it might be that these originals are examples of songs that are very much under-appreciated.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Wally on July 10, 2019, 12:36:58 AM
So I *should* go to the Chicago show this summer?



Yes.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: StoneJackBaller on July 10, 2019, 02:19:41 AM
This thread sucks
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Stringz on July 10, 2019, 07:31:12 AM
Idk the difference between little gift and hindsight but hard pass on them both.  Similar skin is tite.  Bad Friday is good in a bright lights way, but w/o jam it's nothing.  I like no Diablo but am fine with it being shelved. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on July 10, 2019, 07:53:44 AM
Ni Diablo is a grade a studio song but never hope to hear it live again. Same with YaYA
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: smellthemitten20 on July 10, 2019, 08:18:51 AM
Ni Diablo is a grade a studio song but never hope to hear it live again. Same with YaYA

No Diablo is awful standard.  I have absolutely 0 issues with it jammed out a la 8/9/15 No Diablo.  I'll take two 4/5 song sets of my least favorite UM tunes with tons of improv over two 7/8/9 song sets of songs that I enjoy all fucking day. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on July 10, 2019, 08:53:48 AM
Ni Diablo is a grade a studio song but never hope to hear it live again. Same with YaYA

No Diablo is awful standard.  I have absolutely 0 issues with it jammed out a la 8/9/15 No Diablo.  I'll take two 4/5 song sets of my least favorite UM tunes with tons of improv over two 7/8/9 song sets of songs that I enjoy all fucking day.

I would think we all would but maybe new poll question?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: bluish on July 10, 2019, 09:04:33 AM
depends on what kind of jams tbh
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on July 10, 2019, 09:11:54 AM
depends on what kind of jams tbh

Good point. Cant stand the "jazz" jams (aka dissonant noodle) that have been popping up. To piggy back on that the fast tempo "funk"/rock jams are getting stale. The ones where kris is often going crazy with fills, stasik is sitting on a more funky bassline and bayliss and jake are just playing random shit. I would single out a specific jam as an example but i try to block those out.

Ed8t: my big problem is that kris seens to sometimes try to do way too much, which i think forces the rest of the band to be unsure of where to go. Just play a funk groove even for a minute to allow everyone to lock in.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UMFree on July 10, 2019, 09:23:14 AM
Definitely depends on quality of the jams. But that's still a tough question either way because of so many different variables. If it's guaranteed fire improv/stews, then I'm all for that. But if it's forced summercamp improv, then just gimme the good songs and im more than fine. That's a huge part of why I love this band though; just all the possibilities in general. Maybe you'll have shit songs, but incredible improv. Maybe the improv will be shit or non-existent, but they'll play amazing songs. etc..

Ed8t: my big problem is that kris seens to sometimes try to do way too much, which i think forces the rest of the band to be unsure of where to go. Just play a funk groove even for a minute to allow everyone to lock in.

Agreed. It's the same with Jake's atonal/fusion riffs and then Bayliss is just sitting there like "wtf do I play against that"
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: chicagostylehotdog on July 10, 2019, 09:38:17 AM
Ni Diablo is a grade a studio song but never hope to hear it live again. Same with YaYA

No Diablo is awful standard.  I have absolutely 0 issues with it jammed out a la 8/9/15 No Diablo.  I'll take two 4/5 song sets of my least favorite UM tunes with tons of improv over two 7/8/9 song sets of songs that I enjoy all fucking day.

This is why I like Aqueous. Their catalog is weak and relatively small, but they generally play 5/6 song sets with extended improv that does it for me. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UMFree on July 10, 2019, 09:39:32 AM
Ni Diablo is a grade a studio song but never hope to hear it live again. Same with YaYA

No Diablo is awful standard.  I have absolutely 0 issues with it jammed out a la 8/9/15 No Diablo.  I'll take two 4/5 song sets of my least favorite UM tunes with tons of improv over two 7/8/9 song sets of songs that I enjoy all fucking day.

This is why I like Aqueous. Their catalog is weak and relatively small, but they generally play 5/6 song sets with extended improv that does it for me.

Same reason I got into Spafford
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: smellthemitten20 on July 10, 2019, 09:40:15 AM
Definitely depends on quality of the jams. But that's still a tough question either way because of so many different variables. If it's guaranteed fire improv/stews, then I'm all for that. But if it's forced summercamp improv, then just gimme the good songs and im more than fine. That's a huge part of why I love this band though; just all the possibilities in general. Maybe you'll have shit songs, but incredible improv. Maybe the improv will be shit or non-existent, but they'll play amazing songs. etc..

Ed8t: my big problem is that kris seens to sometimes try to do way too much, which i think forces the rest of the band to be unsure of where to go. Just play a funk groove even for a minute to allow everyone to lock in.

Agreed. It's the same with Jake's atonal/fusion riffs and then Bayliss is just sitting there like "wtf do I play against that"

I definitely understand this sentiment, but at the same time I've seen everything that I could possibly see ten times over, as I'm sure most here have.  Seeing this band take a risk and maybe not quite deliver on a 20 minute No Diablo is infinitely more exciting to me than catching standard as fuck version of some of my favorites like SF1, Example 1, Spires, etc.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Joey on July 10, 2019, 10:22:25 AM
Ni Diablo is a grade a studio song but never hope to hear it live again. Same with YaYA

No Diablo is awful standard.  I have absolutely 0 issues with it jammed out a la 8/9/15 No Diablo.  I'll take two 4/5 song sets of my least favorite UM tunes with tons of improv over two 7/8/9 song sets of songs that I enjoy all fucking day.

This is why I like Aqueous. Their catalog is weak and relatively small, but they generally play 5/6 song sets with extended improv that does it for me.

Same reason I got into Spafford

except not every single spafford jam sounds like a generic umphreys rip off that drools on for 20 mins while covering hardly any ground
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: mja271 on July 11, 2019, 01:56:55 PM
I love good improv and yea that's definitely the driver of what keeps me coming back to a band, but I have a hard time reaching a certain level of fandom if I don't genuinely enjoy the songs.  It just adds an extra layer of connection and often makes the improv more impactful when it comes out of stuff you really enjoy. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: terminallyphil on July 11, 2019, 02:20:49 PM
Ni Diablo is a grade a studio song but never hope to hear it live again. Same with YaYA

No Diablo is awful standard.  I have absolutely 0 issues with it jammed out a la 8/9/15 No Diablo.  I'll take two 4/5 song sets of my least favorite UM tunes with tons of improv over two 7/8/9 song sets of songs that I enjoy all fucking day.

This is why I like Aqueous. Their catalog is weak and relatively small, but they generally play 5/6 song sets with extended improv that does it for me.

Same reason I got into Spafford

except not every single spafford jam sounds like a generic umphreys rip off that drools on for 20 mins while covering hardly any ground

Spafford is the epitome of derivative jambandery
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: bluish on July 11, 2019, 02:30:35 PM
I love good improv and yea that's definitely the driver of what keeps me coming back to a band, but I have a hard time reaching a certain level of fandom if I don't genuinely enjoy the songs.  It just adds an extra layer of connection and often makes the improv more impactful when it comes out of stuff you really enjoy.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on July 11, 2019, 02:50:46 PM
I love good improv and yea that's definitely the driver of what keeps me coming back to a band, but I have a hard time reaching a certain level of fandom if I don't genuinely enjoy the songs.  It just adds an extra layer of connection and often makes the improv more impactful when it comes out of stuff you really enjoy.

Yea thats the biggest problem i have with UM. They refuse to play their good songs.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 11, 2019, 02:52:13 PM
I love good improv and yea that's definitely the driver of what keeps me coming back to a band, but I have a hard time reaching a certain level of fandom if I don't genuinely enjoy the songs.  It just adds an extra layer of connection and often makes the improv more impactful when it comes out of stuff you really enjoy.

Yea thats the biggest problem i have with Phish. Their songs are all trash.

ftfy
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AlexTheDictator on July 11, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
I love good improv and yea that's definitely the driver of what keeps me coming back to a band, but I have a hard time reaching a certain level of fandom if I don't genuinely enjoy the songs.  It just adds an extra layer of connection and often makes the improv more impactful when it comes out of stuff you really enjoy.

Yea thats the biggest problem i have with Phish. Their songs are all trash.

ftfy

Horrifically triggered over here.  I need a safe space.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: bluish on July 11, 2019, 03:12:01 PM
I love good improv and yea that's definitely the driver of what keeps me coming back to a band, but I have a hard time reaching a certain level of fandom if I don't genuinely enjoy the songs.  It just adds an extra layer of connection and often makes the improv more impactful when it comes out of stuff you really enjoy.

Yea thats the biggest problem i have with Phish. Their songs are all trash.

ftfy

Horrifically triggered over here.  I need a safe space.

lol it hurt to read but the blatant trashing is also funny
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: YesDiablo1996 on July 11, 2019, 03:29:47 PM
I love good improv and yea that's definitely the driver of what keeps me coming back to a band, but I have a hard time reaching a certain level of fandom if I don't genuinely enjoy the songs.  It just adds an extra layer of connection and often makes the improv more impactful when it comes out of stuff you really enjoy.

Yea thats the biggest problem i have with Phish. Their songs are all trash.

ftfy

Horrifically triggered over here.  I need a safe space.

Mama sing sing tho
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on July 11, 2019, 03:32:58 PM
I love good improv and yea that's definitely the driver of what keeps me coming back to a band, but I have a hard time reaching a certain level of fandom if I don't genuinely enjoy the songs.  It just adds an extra layer of connection and often makes the improv more impactful when it comes out of stuff you really enjoy.

Yea thats the biggest problem i have with Phish. Their songs are all trash.

ftfy

100% agreed yet I enjoyed myself more at phish than I have at any 2019 UM show ive attended.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 11, 2019, 03:33:58 PM
I love good improv and yea that's definitely the driver of what keeps me coming back to a band, but I have a hard time reaching a certain level of fandom if I don't genuinely enjoy the songs.  It just adds an extra layer of connection and often makes the improv more impactful when it comes out of stuff you really enjoy.

Yea thats the biggest problem i have with UM. They refuse to play their good songs.

UM plays their good songs they just also play their bad songs. Although lately I haven't been Whistle'd or Looks'd or Cut Off'd in a long time so feeling pretty good about that.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Hilikus on July 11, 2019, 04:19:33 PM
That's why post 2008 UM will never be as exciting for me, and I suspect a few others who don't post on this DBMB anymore.  Too much of the new material is not that great IMO.  Catching UM live is slowly becoming a similar experience to seeing Spafford and tDB for my tastes.  A substantial portion of the show I'm bored just praying for improv/better songs to come.  I like UM's composed material as a whole way more than every other jam band.

As far as the improv goes, can't say I agree with cshore's opinion on modern day improv vs. golden years UM but I'm glad to hear people feel that way.  I hope the band continues to succeed and play larger venues.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 11, 2019, 04:34:34 PM
That's why post 2008 UM will never be as exciting for me, and I suspect a few others who don't post on this DBMB anymore.  Too much of the new material is not that great IMO.  Catching UM live is slowly becoming a similar experience to seeing Spafford and tDB for my tastes.  A substantial portion of the show I'm bored just praying for improv/better songs to come.  I like UM's composed material as a whole way more than every other jam band.

As far as the improv goes, can't say I agree with cshore's opinion on modern day improv vs. golden years UM but I'm glad to hear people feel that way.  I hope the band continues to succeed and play larger venues.

I've experienced this before obviously but I think the rotation is better this year than it has been the past 3-5 years overall. When I look at my mental shortlist of songs I really don't want to see live, it seems most of them have been relegated to very few plays.

Whistle Kids: 3
Looks: 3
No Diablo: 1
Dark Brush: 1
Cut Off: 1
Piranhas: 0
Deeper: 1
Hindsight: 1
Upward: 4
Little Gift: 2 (somehow both pretty good versions with jams)
Make It Right: 3 (I know a lot of you like this one, I don't like it at all)

Seasons is the only one that is annoying me these days. 10 plays this year and I've seen half of them. I don't even hate the song but I am tired of it showing up and eating 8 minutes of my set literally every weekend. Silent Type is also popping up way too often but somehow I've only seen it once this year.

That's about it for me personally. I know some of you guys don't like the Educated Guess/ITB/Maybe Someday/Triangle Tear type songs but I'm all about those songs so those don't bother me at all.

It almost feels like they're weeding out the songs that suck lol
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: StoneJackBaller on July 11, 2019, 04:45:30 PM
Agree with pretty much all of that^^ Also Mantis is the best album imo and it came out in '09. I like a lot of new UM too. I think they're in a great place right now and only moving forward. The jams have been outstanding the past 3 years as well. With this year leading the pack.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 11, 2019, 04:49:08 PM
I fluctuate between Mantis, SIN and AD. I definitely think studio UM has gone downhill since Mantis (INU being the absolute worst by a longshot) but I don't feel that that's a reflection of where they are as a live band, nor has it ever been.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: WOLFpacker16 on July 11, 2019, 06:40:31 PM
I think setlists started going downhill somewhat once they started doing raw sewage stuff. Go back and look at 2011 setlists, so many of those shows were filled with classic songs. The past few years they have made an effort to incorporate the newer stuff into their sets. And while I like a lot of those songs, a lot of them are long and few have become really great jam vehicles sans draconian.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 11, 2019, 06:54:29 PM
I think setlists started going downhill somewhat once they started doing raw sewage stuff. Go back and look at 2011 setlists, so many of those shows were filled with classic songs. The past few years they have made an effort to incorporate the newer stuff into their sets. And while I like a lot of those songs, a lot of them are long and few have become really great jam vehicles sans draconian.

Draconian and Remind me are really the only two that have survived though. Stinko's or Make It Right pop up now and again but not that often. I definitely felt this way around 2015-2016 but not so much anymore. I kinda miss Mad Love tbh, that song was awesome @opsopcopolis

but also #bringbackproverbial

Honestly I'm mostly just glad we don't live in a world where shit like Downtrodden and Fly Like A Beagle became regular songs

Edit: forgot about Roctopus that one exists too
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Pookells on July 11, 2019, 07:01:48 PM
I fluctuate between Mantis, SIN and AD. I definitely think studio UM has gone downhill since Mantis (INU being the absolute worst by a longshot) but I don't feel that that's a reflection of where they are as a live band, nor has it ever been.

That's the thing I've learned with jam bands - the studio albums, for the most part, aren't that great.  Mantis and Anchor Drops are both excellent, though.  And I don't mind Similar Skin at all.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: chicagostylehotdog on July 12, 2019, 09:58:05 AM
Stinko's or Make It Right pop up now and again but not that often.

I could use more Stinko's.

but also #bringbackproverbial

Oh wait, wrong thread.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 12, 2019, 10:19:50 AM
I fluctuate between Mantis, SIN and AD. I definitely think studio UM has gone downhill since Mantis (INU being the absolute worst by a longshot) but I don't feel that that's a reflection of where they are as a live band, nor has it ever been.

That's the thing I've learned with jam bands - the studio albums, for the most part, aren't that great.  Mantis and Anchor Drops are both excellent, though.  And I don't mind Similar Skin at all.

I think It's You is their best record since Mantis
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AlexTheDictator on July 12, 2019, 10:28:18 AM
I fluctuate between Mantis, SIN and AD. I definitely think studio UM has gone downhill since Mantis (INU being the absolute worst by a longshot) but I don't feel that that's a reflection of where they are as a live band, nor has it ever been.

That's the thing I've learned with jam bands - the studio albums, for the most part, aren't that great.  Mantis and Anchor Drops are both excellent, though.  And I don't mind Similar Skin at all.

I think It's You is their best record since Mantis

I honestly probably think the same.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: StoneJackBaller on July 12, 2019, 10:35:09 AM
I could use more Stinko's.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on July 12, 2019, 02:28:05 PM
I fluctuate between Mantis, SIN and AD. I definitely think studio UM has gone downhill since Mantis (INU being the absolute worst by a longshot) but I don't feel that that's a reflection of where they are as a live band, nor has it ever been.

That's the thing I've learned with jam bands - the studio albums, for the most part, aren't that great.  Mantis and Anchor Drops are both excellent, though.  And I don't mind Similar Skin at all.

I think It's You is their best record since Mantis

I honestly probably think the same.

There are 4, mayyybe 5 good songs on that album.

And I agree.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 12, 2019, 03:31:48 PM
I fluctuate between Mantis, SIN and AD. I definitely think studio UM has gone downhill since Mantis (INU being the absolute worst by a longshot) but I don't feel that that's a reflection of where they are as a live band, nor has it ever been.

That's the thing I've learned with jam bands - the studio albums, for the most part, aren't that great.  Mantis and Anchor Drops are both excellent, though.  And I don't mind Similar Skin at all.

I think It's You is their best record since Mantis

I honestly probably think the same.

There are 4, mayyybe 5 good songs on that album.

And I agree.

I don't think there's a single song on the record that I don't like (not counting Hanging Chads.)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 12, 2019, 03:33:25 PM
I fluctuate between Mantis, SIN and AD. I definitely think studio UM has gone downhill since Mantis (INU being the absolute worst by a longshot) but I don't feel that that's a reflection of where they are as a live band, nor has it ever been.

That's the thing I've learned with jam bands - the studio albums, for the most part, aren't that great.  Mantis and Anchor Drops are both excellent, though.  And I don't mind Similar Skin at all.

I think It's You is their best record since Mantis

I honestly probably think the same.

There are 4, mayyybe 5 good songs on that album.

And I agree.

I don't think there's a single song on the record that I don't like (not counting Hanging Chads.)

Hanging chads is dope don't be a narc.

It's You is good and I might agree it's best since Mantis (although I like Similar Skin more than a lot of people here). Still, even being the best since Mantis there's a significant drop off there IMO.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on July 12, 2019, 03:35:51 PM
XMas at Wartime eh, ok for what it is
Seasons meh
Nether yuck
Hanging Chads I've made better songs recording my bowel movements
Upward meh

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 12, 2019, 03:40:34 PM
I love both Nether and Seasons. Upward is meh at shows, but fits fine on the record. Same for XMas
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: slowciableslowdor on July 12, 2019, 03:44:51 PM
Have they played Nether live yet?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UMFree on July 12, 2019, 03:48:20 PM
Have they played Nether live yet?

negative
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 12, 2019, 03:50:14 PM
Have they played Nether live yet?

negative

I'm curious why not.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Bron Yr Aur on July 12, 2019, 04:02:39 PM
I love both Nether and Seasons. Upward is meh at shows, but fits fine on the record. Same for XMas

Agree with this.  Upward studio is really well done.  Love the little acoustic touches and Jake's solos have a very "live" feel.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Mittens on July 12, 2019, 04:29:46 PM
Idk the difference between little gift and hindsight but hard pass on them both.  Similar skin is tite.  Bad Friday is good in a bright lights way, but w/o jam it's nothing.  I like no Diablo but am fine with it being shelved.

Agreed
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on July 12, 2019, 04:38:43 PM
2 of the best jams I saw this year were in Hindsight and Little Gift
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Hilikus on July 12, 2019, 04:50:53 PM
Have they played Nether live yet?

negative

I'm curious why not.
Me too.  I know most of you hate it, but I think it's one of their best songs in years.  No bullshit.  Why the hell does Roctopus include the exact same riff from a different song?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on July 12, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
Have they played Nether live yet?

negative

I'm curious why not.
Me too.  I know most of you hate it, but I think it's one of their best songs in years.  No bullshit.  Why the hell does Roctopus include the exact same riff from a different song?

Why does Resolution contain the exact same riff from a different song (Front Porch)?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: StoneJackBaller on July 12, 2019, 04:54:47 PM
Front porch has the Reso riff
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on July 12, 2019, 04:56:12 PM
Front porch has the Reso riff

You know what I mean
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Hilikus on July 12, 2019, 05:21:52 PM
That's a good question.  Who knows?  Seems like a bit of a different scenario to me.  FP has been played by UM from the beginning.  Reso is an ABT tune Jake brought to the band years later?  I see the FP/Reso thing more as an impromptu goof since it fits well with the other composed sections.  Kind of a DBK/Thin Air classical section, etc.

Roctopus/Nether riff was probably floating around in Jake's head (correct me if I'm wrong) for years.  The others probably thought it was a sick riff and were like "let's add that as an ending lego to a new song we want to debut live (Roctopus)" in 2016.  Just seems weird to release a new studio track two years later featuring the same lego already established in a live debut/rotation. 
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Bron Yr Aur on July 12, 2019, 05:30:34 PM
Roctopus > Nether would crush.  Cannot believe it hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 12, 2019, 05:32:06 PM
Would require a guitar switch so not really possible unless Jake learns to play Roctopus on a 7 string
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: UnCommon#5 on July 12, 2019, 11:55:01 PM
Roctopus > Nether would crush.  Cannot believe it hasn't happened yet.
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Said a very similar thing in the Random UM thoughts thread a few months ago.. so I definitely agree> Plus the riff doesn't show up right away in Nether they could stretch a Joel intro or something while they do the guitar switch then go > Nether
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: cshore on July 14, 2019, 07:17:55 PM
In the Black is a great song tbh.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: opsopcopolis on July 14, 2019, 07:25:04 PM
In the Black is a great song tbh.

True
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Winnertakesall on July 14, 2019, 07:29:39 PM
In the Black is a great song tbh.

True
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Uncle Wally on July 15, 2019, 08:53:07 AM
The only REAL “black and gold” team in the sports world is the Boston Bruins.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: FussyManDutch on July 15, 2019, 09:11:34 AM
The only REAL “black and gold” team in the sports world is the Boston Bruins.

Yeah fuck the whole city of Pittsburgh and all of their teams using the same exact colors, amiright?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: funktastic on July 15, 2019, 09:18:21 AM
The only REAL “black and gold” team in the sports world is the Boston Bruins.

Yeah fuck the whole city of Pittsburgh and all of their teams using the same exact colors, amiright?

honestly yeah, that city fucking blows.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: mja271 on July 15, 2019, 09:31:51 AM
I feel like UM's song rotation is too small relative to the size of their overall catalog. I'd have to actually do some research to see if the data backs up my point but I rarely look at a set anymore and say "wow, that's a nice bustout". I just think they could work to dig deeper more regularly and mix up set positioning a little better. Seems like they'll have 1 or 2 shows a year that get a bunch of rarities (ala Canopy Club) rather than kind of spreading things out or making each set more unique on paper.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: FussyManDutch on July 15, 2019, 10:42:21 AM
The only REAL “black and gold” team in the sports world is the Boston Bruins.

Yeah fuck the whole city of Pittsburgh and all of their teams using the same exact colors, amiright?

honestly yeah, that city fucking blows.

Lmao
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Albert Ross on July 15, 2019, 12:03:11 PM
Pittsburgh buses have black and gold seats too. Sorry your city can't figure out a coordinated color scheme
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: JWelsh on July 15, 2019, 01:25:35 PM
Pittsburgh buses have black and gold seats too. Sorry your city can't figure out a coordinated color scheme

Damn right.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: DiabetesCOLE on July 15, 2019, 01:33:16 PM
In the Black is a great song tbh.

True

Great studio song, I feel like the vox are pretty poor live, but I havent heard a live one in a while now
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: Similar Skinner on July 15, 2019, 08:03:45 PM
The only REAL “black and gold” team in the sports world is the Boston Bruins.

Yeah fuck the whole city of Pittsburgh and all of their teams using the same exact colors, amiright?

honestly yeah, that city fucking blows.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: AlexTheDictator on July 16, 2019, 02:16:23 AM
In the Black is a great song tbh.

True

Great studio song, I feel like the vox are pretty poor live, but I havent heard a live one in a while now

The studio version is my favorite too.  Like the song, but the vocals are never quite there live.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions About Umphrey's McGee
Post by: LandLandNever on July 16, 2019, 09:31:56 AM
In the Black is a great song tbh.

True

Great studio song, I feel like the vox are pretty poor live, but I havent heard a live one in a while now

The studio version is my favorite too.  Like the song, but the vocals are never quite there live.

I probably listened to this song more than any of the others when Its You came out. Ending absolutely epic on the studio track.