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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2012, 01:01:38 PM »

Can we offer up a robby champion classic before we lock it up?

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OVERVIEW OF THE FRAUD AND FALSE EMPLOYMENT OF ROBERT CHAMPION AND HIS
ASSOCIATION WITH MOORE ADDISON Co.
Robert Thomas Champion ended his employment on the first week of November in
the year 2000, that is to say he quit working for Alvin Thomas Champion and
James B. Holland without any desire to return or be on the payroll.
Immediately he was told to leave the premises. This exchange took place on the
first Friday of November.  Robert Thomas Champion asked to receive his paycheck
and this request was denied.  The series of events that happened leading up to
this exchange involved the refusal of paychecks as well as the forgery of
Robert's name by Alvin Champion on documents that Robert never even printed on.
 The months of November 2000 to June of 2001 play a significant role in this
overview.  It is during this time that Alvin Champion and James Holland
collected a paycheck in the name of Robert Champion even though Robert was not
employed by the company.   
This evidence was discovered in late Sept of 2001 when Robert had a
conversation with James B. Holland about collecting a profit sharing check.  He
was told that this could not happen because of the fact that he was on a "ghost
payroll."  Robert never received any money for these months of false
employment.  With this information it can be shown to a moral certainty that
the several thousands of dollars in the false employment of Robert T. Champion
occurred and has ultimately aided in his ongoing mental illness.
Facts can be presented that will prove that Robert was under a wrongful sense
of control by Alvin Champion.  Even though Robert was in his mid twenties,
Alvin would not allow him to see his paychecks.  Alvin would also open up the
mail of Robert and would forge his signature on documents in the work place.
Several of the employees in the office witnessed the final exchange on the
Friday of November and can attest to the denial of the check that Robert was
trying to obtain.  On the second week of November the payroll continued to have
Robert Champion named as an employee even though he wanted nothing to do with
Moore Addison.  A review of the payroll will prove that Alvin Champion
collected this money knowingly and without any intention of providing these
funds to Robert.  This has aided in a large amount of stress and grief that
have manifested itself through having to attend therapy, hospitalization, and
an ongoing medication crises.  Review of the evidence will hopefully show to
you why it appears this information should be brought to a court of law and
hopefully lead to some sort of justice.
Shortly after Robert left Moore Addison, he went to California and had a
nervous breakdown.  This led to a hospitalization in which he was trying to
reach some sort of conclusion in the fact that he had been raised by two
dishonest individuals.  This "ghost payroll" was something that Alvin Champion
and James Holland instigated as a way to illegally collect money under the
social security number of Robert.  His visit and hospitalization in California
can be documented and matched up with the fact that they were collecting money
while he was permanently absent from the company.
Shortly after Robert left the company, several individuals became aware of the
fraud that was being committed but didn't do anything to correct it.  The only
reason that Robert even became aware of this fraud was because of a phone call
that was made in late September of 2001.  It was during this conversation in
which James Holland informed Robert that he was still on the payroll and that
the money was being used for credit card bills and a car payment.  The fact is,
Robert had no car and his credit card bills hadn't been paid since November.
Someone was being lied to.
There is sufficient evidence that the fraud began on the second week of
November 2000 with collections and before while signing off Robert's name
without his knowledge on documents at work.  Several hospital records and
evidence from his therapist will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Robert
was nowhere near Moore Addison from the months of November 2000 to June of
2001.  This fact remains and stands on its own.  The "ghost payroll" was
obviously used for some other reason than helping Robert out financially.  This
event has left Robert with a very untrustworthy life way.  Robert's illness has
been elevated because of this and it is believed that this stress has directly
been caused because of the false use of his social security number.   
It has never been agreed upon where exactly the money went or what it was used
for.  The facts show that close to six months of paychecks were collected under
the social security number of 350-62-9580.  This was unwarranted by Robert, and
to the best of his understanding is an act of fraud.   
James Bach of the catalyst counseling center was appointed to help Robert in
his ongoing struggle and is a therapist that has watched this entire exchange
take place.  He became a powerful factor in the stability and strength of
Robert and has helped him understand the inner workings of his unhealthy mind
and those that surround him.
Legitimate conclusions can be drawn that when Robert found out about this fraud
being committed against his social security number and name, it appears that
the act further spun Robert into a deeper depression than he was previously in.
 New medications had to be introduced and treatment continued at an intense
rate.
It appears that it was not known by James Holland that the money was simply
being collected and used for reasons besides the false ones that were described
above.  It took the act of Robert Champion calling James Holland directly in
order to reveal that this "ghost payroll" was taking place.  When asked about
the intention of this act, James Holland revealed that is was to pay for car
payments and credit card bills.  Both of which were never paid for after
November.  If Robert Champion had not investigated this on his own then there
would have been absolutely no outside knowledge of the fraud that took place.
The three employees in the office had knowledge of Robert Champion being on the
payroll and did nothing to intercept this fraud or correct it by way of
contacting the payroll company or any other outside source that might have been
able to administer justice in light of this crime that was committed.  I can
only assume at this point as to why they stayed silent and I refuse to
speculate on their intentions.  This crime should have never been perpetrated
against Robert Champion or his social security number and it could have easily
been avoided by the three employees that work in the office
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2012, 01:13:52 PM »

I thought you were dead?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/us/drum-major-robert-champions-death-ruled-hazing-homicide.html

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The drum major, Robert Champion, died of “hemorrhagic shock due to soft tissue hemorrhage, due to blunt force trauma,” the Orange County Medical Examiner concluded. So far, no suspects have been publicly identified in the hazing episode, and no charges have been announced.

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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #77 on: February 22, 2012, 01:22:32 PM »

Not at all Jeremy.  In order to answer the users question I need to know a little bit about his/her frame of reference with music.  It is a totally legitimate question.  Please list your five favorite bands and then I will answer the question.

That sounds like a cop out to me. Again, this is your assertion. Not mine. If you actually believed this and weren't just playing around, you would be more than willing to offer up examples. Only the sole example you have offered is one of "free," which is really just unable to be touched in this discussion.
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2012, 02:05:36 PM »

I thought you were dead?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/us/drum-major-robert-champions-death-ruled-hazing-homicide.html

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The drum major, Robert Champion, died of “hemorrhagic shock due to soft tissue hemorrhage, due to blunt force trauma,” the Orange County Medical Examiner concluded. So far, no suspects have been publicly identified in the hazing episode, and no charges have been announced.

Story of the ghost you may say...

JWelsh - In order to answer the question I need to know the frame of reference of the person asking the question.  If they offer up their five favorite bands and none of them are actual bands that exhibit strong improvisation then I will know how to address the person asking the question.  If their bands are bands that have mastered improvisation then I will choose to answer the question in a different way.  Is this more clear?

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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #79 on: February 22, 2012, 02:15:44 PM »

I thought you were dead?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/us/drum-major-robert-champions-death-ruled-hazing-homicide.html

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The drum major, Robert Champion, died of “hemorrhagic shock due to soft tissue hemorrhage, due to blunt force trauma,” the Orange County Medical Examiner concluded. So far, no suspects have been publicly identified in the hazing episode, and no charges have been announced.

Story of the ghost you may say...

JWelsh - In order to answer the question I need to know the frame of reference of the person asking the question.  If they offer up their five favorite bands and none of them are actual bands that exhibit strong improvisation then I will know how to address the person asking the question.  If their bands are bands that have mastered improvisation then I will choose to answer the question in a different way.  Is this more clear?

I just gave you my 5 favorite bands, but I am also a fan of Phish, moe., WSP, and others
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #80 on: February 22, 2012, 02:17:27 PM »

I saw that kmdeadhead but you weren't the one that asked the question.
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #81 on: February 22, 2012, 02:19:44 PM »

This thread is fucking retarded and a waste of time.
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #82 on: February 22, 2012, 02:24:51 PM »

This thread is fucking retarded and a waste of time.

Ok.  Don't read it.
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #83 on: February 22, 2012, 02:25:37 PM »

This thread is fucking retarded and a waste of time.

Ok.  Don't read it.

I wish I hadn't.
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #84 on: February 22, 2012, 02:29:40 PM »

This thread is fucking retarded and a waste of time.

Ok.  Don't read it.

I wish I hadn't.

Why are you still participating if it brings you so much anger?  I was just stating one of many opinions about this band and I am pretty sure I was doing it in a respectful way.  Why are you choosing to be disrespectful?
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #86 on: February 22, 2012, 03:05:39 PM »

I would like to be on your Phishcast. I am hitting you up now.
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #87 on: February 22, 2012, 03:12:35 PM »

"the thesis that you're writing is a piece of shit"
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #88 on: February 22, 2012, 04:36:06 PM »



this thread is great.... for me to poop on!
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #89 on: February 22, 2012, 07:35:01 PM »

I am a high functioning autistic but I am pretty sure I haven't been rude or hateful towards the band in this thread at all.  In fact, I am pretty sure I have been gushing.
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2012, 07:58:23 PM »

The one and only thing PT has on this board is the "ignore user" function.  That would be clutch.
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2012, 08:00:06 PM »

You're only gushing in the way that diarrhea is expelled from my ass. If you have autism, I suppose you aren't aware that you're being socially inept, and for that I am sorry. But having "functional" autism as you say, then you must be aware that you should probably steer clear of situations where you provoke strong social responses. Real people dealing with autism don't offer that as an excuse, because they aren't aware its not normal. 
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2012, 08:10:09 PM »

Obvious troll is obvious
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #93 on: February 22, 2012, 08:14:02 PM »

I am just voicing my preference for the band and in no way am speaking negatively about them.  I have been praising them the entire time in this thread.  wizardburialwalk - What are your five favorite bands?
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #94 on: February 22, 2012, 08:18:19 PM »

Nunya Bizniss, Troll Food, Ego Strokerz, Social Ineptitude, and Umphreys McGee
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2012, 08:37:23 PM »

Just trying to have an adult conversation.  No reason to participate if you cannot speak respectfully.
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2012, 08:44:00 PM »

Piss off. You're ignoring valid retorts from many that you causally step aside from, and address the ones that you can handle. Maybe you are Autistic, after all.
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2012, 08:45:21 PM »

Piss off. You're ignoring valid retorts from many that you causally step aside from, and address the ones that you can handle. Maybe you are Autistic, after all.

Who have I ignored?  How old are you?
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2012, 08:50:10 PM »

Piss off. You're ignoring valid retorts from many that you causally step aside from, and address the ones that you can handle. Maybe you are Autistic, after all.

Who have I ignored?  How old are you?

You've ignored myself and one other who have given you our 5 favorite bands.

It shouldn't matter who you directed the initial statement to, if you're looking to prove a point prove it, it shouldn't matter who the answer is coming
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Re: Umphrey's Mcgee - The Amusement Park Analogy
« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2012, 08:53:23 PM »

Piss off. You're ignoring valid retorts from many that you causally step aside from, and address the ones that you can handle. Maybe you are Autistic, after all.

Who have I ignored?  How old are you?

You've ignored myself and one other who have given you our 5 favorite bands.

It shouldn't matter who you directed the initial statement to, if you're looking to prove a point prove it, it shouldn't matter who the answer is coming

I don't agree at all.  The person that posed the question will be addressed as that person.  I didn't ask you to list your five favorite bands therefore there is no reason to address your attempt at trying to cut off the original asker of the question.

You listed five bands....YOur listing sort of proves that you are not that informed about improvisational music.  My conclusion is that you don't know enough about the topic to have a legitimate conversation about it.  Do some research on the subject.  It's always a perfect time to start learning.
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