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[Xaphist]

I saw that we had a few good posts about 40s in the tabbing project thread, so i thought id bring them into their own thread for discussion:

NOTE: This is compiled from all the posts about this song

This is a big one.  You hit the open low E string before the second lick at the very beginning, offsetting the lick by a eighth note.
Like this:

E-------------------------------------
B-------------------------------------
G-----------6-9------------6-9-------
D---------7--------------7-----------
A-----6-9------------6-9------------
E---7------------0-7----------------

The riff that BB and Jake play after the second time through the first lick:
Jake:
e--------------------------------
B-10h12p10--9h10-------------
G---------------------11----7p6-
D---------------------------------
A---------------------------------
E---------------------------------

BB:
e--9h10p9-7h9p7--2p0---
B---------------------------
G---------------------------
D---------------------------
A---------------------------
E---------------------------

Also, the interlude thing is this:
E-----------------------7-4--------------------------------------10-7---------------
B----------------------------6-------------------------------------------9-----------
G-----------------6-9----------7-4-------------------------4-6------------10-7----
D------------5-8--------------------6------------------5-7-----------------------9--
A-------4-7----------------------------------------6-8-------------------------------
E--3-6-----------------------------------------7-9-----------------------------------

Jake on the verse
e---------7-7-7-7-4-----------------------------5-5-5-5-2----------------------------------------------------------
B---------7-7-7-7-4----------6s4---------------5-5-5-5-2----------4s2----------4b-4b-4b-4b4-2-------4------2-
G-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------4b-4b-4b-4b4-2---4---4--4--2-
D-----------------------4s6--6s4-------------------------------2s4--4s2------------------------------4------4-----
A---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E--2-3-4----------------------------------0-1-2---------------------------------------------------------------------
I believe

On an iclips video I watched bayliss did the verses like this for 40s

e|-------------------------------------------------
b|---------------------------------------------------
g|---4------4----2----4---------------------------
d|---4------4----2----4-----------------------------------
a|---2------4----0----2---------------------------------
e|---4------4----2----4------------------------------------
Its an iclips video from summercamp 09. Also the ending jam I think modulates from E to C#min. Its in E up until BB signals Jaco to change it to that C# bit. What I cant figure out is what kind of E it is... sounds maybe lydian or something i cant quite get it

[Shpongled]

Also the ending jam I think modulates from E to C#min. Its in E up until BB signals Jaco to change it to that C# bit. What I cant figure out is what kind of E it is... sounds maybe lydian or something i cant quite get it

I've just been using C# Dorian for both solos.

[Xaphist]

So I tried out the C# dorian for the jam, but it didnt feel like it worked to me... however I did watch a video closely and it is possible bayliss was playing the dorian, but it was clear jake was just using the minor pentatonic. I feel like jake uses way less accidentals and such in his solo too.

[opsopcopolis]

yeah, by way of BB and Jake's soloing styles, BB is much more about hitting those really cool notes.  I love his accenting, I've really heard nothing like it. Especially in his N2F solos

[opsopcopolis]

ok, so i just spent a good while watch 40s on iClips, and BB's solo is definitely in C#.  Right off the bat Jake is playing with a C# and Stasik's basslines are all in C#.
When it goes to double time the chords Jake plays are C#-7, E, F# (up), F# (down).
Under Jake's solo Brendan is playing C#-7, E, Eb (octave with ringing open E's and B i believe), and then F#
except sometimes there is a Emaj7 goin on under Brendan's solo

[Xaphist]

the other night I had the pleasure of being front row for 40s theme, and the chord opening the jam is a C#minor played like this:

e|
b|----4-------------------------
g|----4--------------------
d|----4-----------------
a|----4---------------------
E|------------------------------

[Xaphist]

last night I had kinda a breakthrough when i played the verses like this

G#>C#>F#>B

EDIT:  I NO LONGER THINK THIS IS CORRECT. Im thinking it may just go G#>C#>F.... not too sure....

[Xaphist]

I do think now the end is all c# dorian. Good stuff

[Shpongled]

I do think now the end is all c# dorian. Good stuff

You mean both solos?

[Xaphist]

I do think now the end is all c# dorian. Good stuff

You mean both solos?

Well, yes and no. Bayliss is much more wont to using entire scales instead of abbreviated scales such as the pentatonic. In this case he often highly stresses that #6 that is the character tone of the dorian scale whereas jake often plays more pentatonic like scales that do not have the 6th. This gives bayliss a more diverse sounds pallet but then jake takes over and brings the power with the rougher, yet more familiarity of pentatonic-ness. Its kinda weird but I hope that helps

[wibcs39]

I do think now the end is all c# dorian. Good stuff

You mean both solos?

Well, yes and no. Bayliss is much more wont to using entire scales instead of abbreviated scales such as the pentatonic. In this case he often highly stresses that #6 that is the character tone of the dorian scale whereas jake often plays more pentatonic like scales that do not have the 6th. This gives bayliss a more diverse sounds pallet but then jake takes over and brings the power with the rougher, yet more familiarity of pentatonic-ness. Its kinda weird but I hope that helps

Disclaimer: at work, no guitar in front of me, this is all coming from my fond memories of jamming along to this song many times. Haven't played 40's in a while, so don't hesitate to tell me I am totally wrong.

I think you are absolutely right on Brendan's solo; it seems to be Dorian with creative accenting of certain notes (definitely Bb, that would be the #6 you mention). However, when it switches over to Jake and the C#m, E, Ebm, F#m progression comes in, Jake occasionally throws in lines that seem to be C# Aeolian (regular minor), not Dorian. He throws in a normal A instead of Bb (which is the main difference between Dorian and Aeolian). It works because F#m has an A in it. If my memory serves me correctly, this is the note that Jake uses to get that dark characteristic to his solo, which C# dorian doesn't achieve over this progression.

I'll pick up the axe when I get home, but until then, feel free to check me on this. I think this is a case where it is a bad idea to overthink exactly what mode/scale to use. Jake's solo goes over a progression that allows for some creative tweaking of notes depending what chord of the progression you are on.

[Puddy40]

last night I had kinda a breakthrough when i played the verses like this

G#>C#>F#>B

those are def the root notes, nice work

but they're not just major chords, their 9th and 7th variations, amongst others. 

if I play it on an acoustic, it sounds cool by itself like this:


          G#m7(9?)             C#9                      F#m7(9?)   B9
e---------4----------------------------------------------2------------------
b---------4--------------------4-------------------------2-----------2------
g---------4 (strum)------------4-(strum)-----------------2-(strum)---2------
d---------4--------------------3-------------------------2-----------1------
a---------4----------2-3-4-----4-------------------------2-----------2------
e--2-3-4--4--------------------------------------0-1-2---2------------------

[Xaphist]

so umm I was wathcing that old vid of the boys teaching stanley jordan how to play 40s theme and right at the end after teaching him the whole tone into diminished stuff right at the end jake says "and then G major". This would make the current tab on the site incorrect as that part is labeled as as section in A. I dont have my guitar now but I do plan on testing this soon. the video is here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk-a_8DQGyA&NR=1

[opsopcopolis]

I see that in the video but I'm not exactly sure where you're saying that is in the tab
Everything that I can see (at least in my part) is right, and I'm pretty sure that everything that I didn't re-tab is right, I could be wrong though

[Xaphist]

I guess it was changed since i last actually looked at the site but its the "countryish riff" part that is just a big Gmaj. Also I'm gonna work on cleaning this up, the tab is kinda fragmented a bit to Ima fix it up for you puddy

[opsopcopolis]

yeah, its the "countryish riff" part.  Weird thing is that I'm pretty sure jake's riff is in F#

[Puddy40]

Its a big G, then the diminished scale riff

Then a f# and the country riff

[opsopcopolis]

Its a big G, then the diminished scale riff

Then a f# and the country riff

Yeah I know, but in that video it sounds like Jake is saying its a G where the F# is. 

[Puddy40]

Its a big G, then the diminished scale riff

Then a f# and the country riff

Yeah I know, but in that video it sounds like Jake is saying its a G where the F# is.

oops sorry, my bad.  I didn't watch the video 

[opsopcopolis]

its all good.  You see what I'm saying now though?

[Xaphist]

you guys ever wish that BB and Jake would make profiles on here and just tell us exactly whats up? I mean as a musician I love sharing my music and if I was them I would love to come on here and tell people about how its done.... but alas.... tis a dream

[opsopcopolis]

yeah, that would help to make this place the most addicting website I've ever been on 
Would definitely be cool, even just get a bunch of us guitar players to try to get them to sit down and lesson us one afternoon before a show would be awesome

[Xaphist]

yeah, that would help to make this place the most addicting website I've ever been on 
Would definitely be cool, even just get a bunch of us guitar players to try to get them to sit down and lesson us one afternoon before a show would be awesome

Yea I would love that SOOOO  MUCH!!!!!! So the question is... whose got the hookups?

[opsopcopolis]

maybe JWelsh could hook us up sometime we're all in the same spot (and they are for more than one night.)

[Puddy40]

yeah, that would help to make this place the most addicting website I've ever been on 
Would definitely be cool, even just get a bunch of us guitar players to try to get them to sit down and lesson us one afternoon before a show would be awesome

anymore than it already is? 

Joel had a profile on the old one and would post stuff sometimes.  They are surprisingly punctual when it comes to responding to email as well.

but I think they just want us to spend the $100 and ask these questions at an S2