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[iamkickinit]

Different strokes for sure man. Funny you brought up the 08 show, because I was telling my gf after the show how we haven't had an above average show in W Michigan ever since that Intersection show. All 3 State Theatre shows since have been standard, the GRap shows have been standard (although the Billie Jean does rip), even the east side shows haven't been that good. I'd say my fav show in this state since 08 would be the Detriot show, and probably only because that 1348 rips faces apart. But aside from that, it was average at best. The Mitten gets a TON of love (for that I'm ever so grateful) but if there's a place that's overrated to see UM, its definitely here in Michigan. The tapes speak for themselves.

[flyfishmich]

Different strokes for sure man. Funny you brought up the 08 show, because I was telling my gf after the show how we haven't had an above average show in W Michigan ever since that Intersection show. All 3 State Theatre shows since have been standard, the GRap shows have been standard (although the Billie Jean does rip), even the east side shows haven't been that good. I'd say my fav show in this state since 08 would be the Detriot show, and probably only because that 1348 rips faces apart. But aside from that, it was average at best. The Mitten gets a TON of love (for that I'm ever so grateful) but if there's a place that's overrated to see UM, its definitely here in Michigan. The tapes speak for themselves.

Given that I can't tour much with the band, I guess I'll just have to settle for average (or sub-par) shows here in MI.     FWIW, I still disagree with the "D+" rating, given the amount of "average" shows I have seen here in MI.  I'd probably give this show a rating somewhere in the "B" range (with "C" being average) but then again, "different strokes".  Thanks for the respectful discourse.

[bobbyluv]

I thought this years KZoo show was well on its way to be better than the last handful of shows here the past 3 years until the standard 2nd set. 
1st set was super satisfying. 
2nd set, not so much.
Still fun times

[flyfishmich]

I thought this years KZoo show was well on its way to be better than the last handful of shows here the past 3 years until the standard 2nd set. 
1st set was super satisfying. 
2nd set, not so much.
Still fun times

It would have made an awesome festival set

[toomanypomas]

I have to agree on the mediocre Mitten shows in the past couple years. The Ann Arbor show from 10.2.09 stands out as one of the better michigan um shows in the past couple years (IVOY, you gotta be kidding me, one of my more favorite HBBs too ). It hurts to see a completely standard second set one night then see them throw down one of the best shows of the year the next night. Although I had an absolute blast last friday I was still kicking myself for not making the trip to millwookie the next night because I knew it was gonna be a much better show.

[FussyNudeMan]

Different strokes for sure man. Funny you brought up the 08 show, because I was telling my gf after the show how we haven't had an above average show in W Michigan ever since that Intersection show. All 3 State Theatre shows since have been standard, the GRap shows have been standard (although the Billie Jean does rip), even the east side shows haven't been that good. I'd say my fav show in this state since 08 would be the Detriot show, and probably only because that 1348 rips faces apart. But aside from that, it was average at best. The Mitten gets a TON of love (for that I'm ever so grateful) but if there's a place that's overrated to see UM, its definitely here in Michigan. The tapes speak for themselves.

Given that I can't tour much with the band, I guess I'll just have to settle for average (or sub-par) shows here in MI.     FWIW, I still disagree with the "D+" rating, given the amount of "average" shows I have seen here in MI.  I'd probably give this show a rating somewhere in the "B" range (with "C" being average) but then again, "different strokes".  Thanks for the respectful discourse.

Maybe it's because the song selection was right up my alley...or maybe you're just a little ridiculous.  But a "D+" is absolutely preposterous for this show IMO.  A solid "B" is what this show deserves, no more, no less.

[mitten_smeller]

i don't think this show is as bad as some are making it out to be. sure, the severe lack of jamming in the second set is definitely not my style, but at least the song selection outside of room to breathe and go to hell is pretty choice (but i have to admit those songs made the end of the second set VERY underwhelming for me). i'll probably never listen to the set again, but i had fun. the virtue, crooked one, 1348, and reso LS are nice highlights, plus i got my first hey 19 so i was really pumped about that. i give this show a solid C. i liked it better than the south bend show...that's for sure.

[iamkickinit]

Different strokes for sure man. Funny you brought up the 08 show, because I was telling my gf after the show how we haven't had an above average show in W Michigan ever since that Intersection show. All 3 State Theatre shows since have been standard, the GRap shows have been standard (although the Billie Jean does rip), even the east side shows haven't been that good. I'd say my fav show in this state since 08 would be the Detriot show, and probably only because that 1348 rips faces apart. But aside from that, it was average at best. The Mitten gets a TON of love (for that I'm ever so grateful) but if there's a place that's overrated to see UM, its definitely here in Michigan. The tapes speak for themselves.

Given that I can't tour much with the band, I guess I'll just have to settle for average (or sub-par) shows here in MI.     FWIW, I still disagree with the "D+" rating, given the amount of "average" shows I have seen here in MI.  I'd probably give this show a rating somewhere in the "B" range (with "C" being average) but then again, "different strokes".  Thanks for the respectful discourse.

Maybe it's because the song selection was right up my alley...or maybe you're just a little ridiculous.  But a "D+" is absolutely preposterous for this show IMO.  A solid "B" is what this show deserves, no more, no less.

Hmmmm... I understand a D+ being a lil severe, but a B seems a little severe in the complete opposite direction. But to each their own!

i don't think this show is as bad as some are making it out to be. sure, the severe lack of jamming in the second set is definitely not my style, but at least the song selection outside of room to breathe and go to hell is pretty choice (but i have to admit those songs made the end of the second set VERY underwhelming for me). i'll probably never listen to the set again, but i had fun. the virtue, crooked one, 1348, and reso LS are nice highlights, plus i got my first hey 19 so i was really pumped about that. i give this show a solid C. i liked it better than the south bend show...that's for sure.

Really? Kind of similar shows, in that neither really had much on the improv department. I definitely enjoyed SBC way more than this. I'd give SBC a C (an A+ on the fun factor!) and stand by the D+ for kzoo. More so though because Morning Song, RtB, Wellwishers, and GtH aren't really my thing, and the improv that was there wasn't anything to write home about. Whereas SBC didn't really have a song that I don't like, aside from Forks. I'd much rather hear the standard versions of songs played in SBC than Kzoo. Plus, Tinkle's from SBC pwns anything from kzoo, imo. I guess when it comes to shows like this, it's all about song selection. And if the song selection is up your alley, and they play them well, you'll walk away somewhat satisfied. 

Again, I had a blast for sure. I don't mean to be Debbie Downer. Night Nurse and Virtue were firsts for me, so that was cool (although I only caught the second half of MV). Ghetts is always sweet. Crooked One and Divisions were cool to hear as well. We raged the piss outta that balcony, Jake side, all dressed in our track suits and cheesey workout outfits. Hahhaha, we had a blast no doubt, and actually got to see the show unlike the last indoor mitten show! I look forward to seeing some of yall in Chicago, it'll be a good end to a pretty solid year of UM for me!

[mitten_smeller]

Really? Kind of similar shows, in that neither really had much on the improv department. I definitely enjoyed SBC way more than this. I'd give SBC a C (an A+ on the fun factor!) and stand by the D+ for kzoo. More so though because Morning Song, RtB, Wellwishers, and GtH aren't really my thing, and the improv that was there wasn't anything to write home about. Whereas SBC didn't really have a song that I don't like, aside from Forks. I'd much rather hear the standard versions of songs played in SBC than Kzoo. Plus, Tinkle's from SBC pwns anything from kzoo, imo. I guess when it comes to shows like this, it's all about song selection. And if the song selection is up your alley, and they play them well, you'll walk away somewhat satisfied. 

yeah i mean i just feel the opposite about the song selection for the 2 shows. there are many more songs that i don't care to hear live that were played at SBC (susanah, forks, cheap sungasses, nemo > i'm on fire > nemo, partyin peeps, placement of live and let die, jam-less front porch) as opposed to kalamazoo (wellwishers, room to breathe, go to hell). plus, kalamazoo's first set was way better than SBC's first set.

[bobbyluv]

Really? Kind of similar shows, in that neither really had much on the improv department. I definitely enjoyed SBC way more than this. I'd give SBC a C (an A+ on the fun factor!) and stand by the D+ for kzoo. More so though because Morning Song, RtB, Wellwishers, and GtH aren't really my thing, and the improv that was there wasn't anything to write home about. Whereas SBC didn't really have a song that I don't like, aside from Forks. I'd much rather hear the standard versions of songs played in SBC than Kzoo. Plus, Tinkle's from SBC pwns anything from kzoo, imo. I guess when it comes to shows like this, it's all about song selection. And if the song selection is up your alley, and they play them well, you'll walk away somewhat satisfied. 

yeah i mean i just feel the opposite about the song selection for the 2 shows. there are many more songs that i don't care to hear live that were played at SBC (susanah, forks, cheap sungasses, nemo > i'm on fire > nemo, partyin peeps, placement of live and let die, jam-less front porch) as opposed to kalamazoo (wellwishers, room to breathe, go to hell). plus, kalamazoo's first set was way better than SBC's first set.

Everything Gary says I agree with 100%.  KZoo>SBC by a mile

[Higgins Brother]

Just listened up to 1348, but that Miami Virtue is SMOKIN' (just like all the others) and the last "theme" of the 1348 jam is RIDICULOUS.

I love this band.  That is all.

[stephandra]

Just listened up to 1348, but that Miami Virtue is SMOKIN' (just like all the others) and the last "theme" of the 1348 jam is RIDICULOUS.

I love this band.  That is all.

Yes! This version of 1348 was easily the highlight of the show for me. 

[Puddy40]

just finally re-listened to this show and I love this 1348.  Very atypical jam for 1348.  It starts out with a standard prog/metal riff while they try and feel out where they want to go with it.  They abandon that pretty quickly and drop into a dancier beat with a country/classic rock feel behind it to build the tempo before they bounce back to the first metal section, but this time they make it more major/uplifting than proggy.  They return to the dancy theme and morph that into a soaring jam that jake just destroys!  It then winds down and melts perfectly into morning song 

[flyfishmich]

just finally re-listened to this show and I love this 1348.  Very atypical jam for 1348.  It starts out with a standard prog/metal riff while they try and feel out where they want to go with it.  They abandon that pretty quickly and drop into a dancier beat with a country/classic rock feel behind it to build the tempo before they bounce back to the first metal section, but this time they make it more major/uplifting than proggy.  They return to the dancy theme and morph that into a soaring jam that jake just destroys!  It then winds down and melts perfectly into morning song 

I realized there was a bounceback after about the 3rd listen...very nice jam.

Despite earlier critcisms from others of the Reso jam, it has become my favorite....easily.  Its linear but builds nicely (patiently) with multiple layers.  It does strike my fancy with the straight-forward beat that exhibits a sense of urgency as it nears the vocal portion.  Joel flubs a few of the keys but otherwise plays an important role throughout.   

[douggood]

This was my first true UM show (I saw UMBowl II in the spring) and I was blown away.  I was fortunate enough to go to Milwaukee the next night too.  First set at Kalamazoo was better than the second set for sure, but I loved Resolution and Phil's Farm > Night Nurse > Phil's Farm in the second set.  I'm going to both shows over Thanksgiving and I can't wait.  I'm looking forward to a day when I can call this Kalamazoo show average, but for now, it still is great to me.  I've got to get on a 6-10 show pace a year starting next year, hopefully more. 

[Bobbwin]

This was my first true UM show (I saw UMBowl II in the spring) and I was blown away.  I was fortunate enough to go to Milwaukee the next night too.  First set at Kalamazoo was better than the second set for sure, but I loved Resolution and Phil's Farm > Night Nurse > Phil's Farm in the second set.  I'm going to both shows over Thanksgiving and I can't wait.  I'm looking forward to a day when I can call this Kalamazoo show average, but for now, it still is great to me.  I've got to get on a 6-10 show pace a year starting next year, hopefully more.

Glad you enjoyed it, and welcome to the obsession. The thing is with Umphrey's, even "average" shows are pretty flame, and if you were a first-timer in the right mindset you could easily be blown away by a show that we would consider "average." Once you start to see more and more shows, you may get tired of certain songs, and most of us that go on tour like to see lots of hot improvised jams, so a show that is tight but otherwise lacks what we call "teh jamz" might be seen as average to somebody who sees a lot of shows. But it's all good - I've never seen a bad Umphrey's show (though Fargo this year was pretty meh!). Happy Umphing!

[douggood]

Thanks!  I've never heard an Umphrey's show that hasn't been great, but then again, they were all recommended by people who have seen a lot of shows.  I could see getting sick of certain songs.  I did with the Grateful Dead and Phish, but nevertheless, as disappointed as I was at the beginning of the song, I tended to be pretty happy at the end of the show. These guys are great!

[FancyWide]

^ its a lot to process doug 

[douggood]

^ its a lot to process doug 

Still processing it my man.  Over and over in my head.  Gonna have a lot more to process in a week too.

[bobbyluv]

^ its a lot to process doug 

[Javed]

Thanks, found some useful information 

[Javed]

Really nice preview and nice video.. thanks .

[flyfishmich]

Listening to this right now, still love the lyrical stew in Reso, as well as the entire 1st set (sans Wellwishers).  Such a cool, patient build in the somewhat linear Reso jam. 

[JaJunkInTheTrunk]

Different strokes for sure man. Funny you brought up the 08 show, because I was telling my gf after the show how we haven't had an above average show in W Michigan ever since that Intersection show. All 3 State Theatre shows since have been standard, the GRap shows have been standard (although the Billie Jean does rip), even the east side shows haven't been that good. I'd say my fav show in this state since 08 would be the Detriot show, and probably only because that 1348 rips faces apart. But aside from that, it was average at best. The Mitten gets a TON of love (for that I'm ever so grateful) but if there's a place that's overrated to see UM, its definitely here in Michigan. The tapes speak for themselves.

Bro, have you completely forgotten about Traverse City? Show smokes up and down! Example 1 right out of the gate, ALB and that M2M...man, that is the best they've played of that song! Then we've got your #5, Eat>Haji>Eat and 3X! Smokin', absolutely smokin' show!

[iamkickinit]

Traverse City was a helluva time. Not a bad show by any means, but average nonetheless. Suuuper funny u bring this up because I'm listening to it right now. First set is good, example one smokes! ALB has a good jam, and hey 19 smokes as well... But then the second set falls off the deepend, quick. The m2m and 3x are the only two songs w/improv, and sub-par improv at that. Great 1st set, but a boring and disjointed 2nd set, IMO. However, I will say that the show was one of the most fun shows I have attended, and that's all that matters!